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To be fair, China's kit is mostly knockoffs of Russian kit, so China vs. India is pretty much an equal fight of sh#t weaponry. Though China's newer tanks might offer an edge.But in seriousness, the Indians have to be worried about their gear now.
What happens if Russia shoots down an Australian C-17? There's no defence alliance.
I can't imagine being the Russian helicopter crew assigned the suicide mission of blowing up their own tankfarm.Still, I can't imagine being a Russian arms merchant once this is over
Land in Poland, park Bushmasters on Ukraine border with keys in ignition. Done deal. PresQue'Isle, Maine eighty years later.What happens if Russia shoots down an Australian C-17? There's no defence alliance.
China's arms industry appears more technically competent than Russia's, and likely less corrupt. Their older "knockoff" weaponry likely has more effective upgrades on it.To be fair, China's kit is mostly knockoffs of Russian kit, so China vs. India is pretty much an equal fight of sh#t weaponry.
To a certain degree the Russians were on a lose lose situation with this. As you would normally expect a target on this importance to have some form of defence even if its just the ability to ensure that radar cover is in place so that aircover can be called at any time.Zelenskyy warns residents to beware of land mines left by Russians creating a 'complete disaster' outside Kyiv
As Russia withdraws some of its ground forces from areas around Kyiv, residents have been told to beware of land mines left around homes, equipment and dead bodies.www.abc.net.au
To be fair, China's kit is mostly knockoffs of Russian kit, so China vs. India is pretty much an equal fight of sh#t weaponry. Though China's newer tanks might offer an edge.
Still, I can't imagine being a Russian arms merchant once this is over.
Dave, you have no idea how embarrassed I am. I have never taken credit for anyone else's work. As I never actually work that's easy. In all seriousness, I offer a public apology.FlyboyJ coined the phrase back in 2018
Aviation myths that will not die
That's funny. I have a soft cover book at home about the P-38 titled "the fork tailed devil." Where did that name come from, and what did the Germans call it?ww2aircraft.net
China's arms industry appears more technically competent than Russia's, and likely less corrupt. Their older "knockoff" weaponry likely has more effective upgrades on it.
And they likely have more up to date doctrine and training, and have been given a preview of the pitfalls to avoid going forward. Spanish Civil War redux.
To a certain degree the Russians were on a lose lose situation with this. As you would normally expect a target on this importance to have some form of defence even if its just the ability to ensure that radar cover is in place so that aircover can be called at any time.
Definitely UFOs disguised as choppers, asI was discussing this earlier elsewhere. In the video posted upthread, and its accompanying article, the two heloes are said to have flown a low-level profile of 150' AGL or so, which would greatly affect radar tracking. Because the mission was flown at night, the choppers would be hears, but ID/IFF problems might have delayed a Russian AD response.
I don't know that it had no AD, but if it did, that's one possible explanation. Another is that this is indeed a false-flag and so no defensive fire was offered.
I'm still surprised at the lack of point-defense (as opposed to SAMs) we see in the video.
Night vision warfare requires a level of training and competence difficult to achieve and maintain with unmotivated short term conscripts and low level reservists. Night time Nap Of the Earth helicopter ops is pretty difficult and dangerous with such personnel, hence it appears the Ukrainians own the night skies. An area air defense radar not sited on or adjacent to the target facility would be hard put to detect an NOE attack with enough lead time to prevent launch of their stand-off weapons. 5 AM is the low point in human energy and efficiency, even for night shift folks, especially a "scope dope" nearing the end of a long shift. That's when we were buttoning up our planes and towing them to the gate, and every job had to be separately inspected by two supervisors, the offgoing and the oncoming.If they said nothing then thy have to live with the realisation that there own airspace is very insecure and possibly take more damage.
If they say something, then they are admitting to the whole world just how woeful the Russian air defences are.
They seem to have taken the second option.
Definitely UFOs disguised as choppers, asDimlee said. I don't ser any helicopter.
Nop helos my friend. Clearly UFOs disguised as choppersIf you check out the video in this Daily Mail article, helicopters can clearly be seen at :06.
I don't disagree with what you are saying, but at the end of the day Russia is admitting that its defences are ineffective. They are supposed to have AWAC's and complete control of the air, and now have admitted that the Ukraine can strike from the air, more or less at will, anywhere in the Ukraine and now over Russia itself.Night vision warfare requires a level of training and competence difficult to achieve and maintain with unmotivated short term conscripts and low level reservists. Night time Nap Of the Earth helicopter ops is pretty difficult and dangerous with such personnel, hence it appears the Ukrainians own the night skies. An area air defense radar not sited on or adjacent to the target facility would be hard put to detect an NOE attack with enough lead time to prevent launch of their stand-off weapons. 5 AM is the low point in human energy and efficiency, even for night shift folks, especially a "scope dope" nearing the end of a long shift. That's when we were buttoning up our planes and towing them to the gate, and every job had to be separately inspected by two supervisors, the offgoing and the oncoming.
No worries - great minds think alike - I think we had a physic connection!Oh fart! I made that up and used it before I ever knew of the Forum. Curses! Foiled again.
Nope - you're still a living legend as far as I'm concerned!!!!There goes my one hope of being a footnote in aviation history.