There are more Poseidon's than that, they do not have the pilots for seven squadrons
"All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again." (2 Viewers)
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space dodo
Airman 1st Class
I think ukraines use of anti tank weapons has outweighed their use of tanks by far.
vikingBerserker
Lieutenant General
I agree, and not the vehicle you want when you don't have an operational supply line. I just found it interesting that they had to pull them out of reserve in the first place.
buffnut453
Captain
Explain to me again why the Russians are struggling with logistics?
buffnut453
Captain
Operational trials under combat conditions, perhaps?
fubar57
General
Possibly drinking tank fuel
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Who knows, but if you wanted to add insult to injury, what better choice?
Ukraine = Successfull Secessionists
Thumpalumpacus
Major
Good luck with unit cohesion. Scratch forces have a bad habit of falling apart under pressure.
buffnut453
Captain
I know it's Wikipedia but it's a decent overview of what happened and why:
Ukraine and weapons of mass destruction - Wikipedia
Bottom line is that the nukes in Ukraine belonged to the USSR and hence the launch codes etc were managed from Moscow. It's tough to re-implement that from scratch when you're not a nuclear power, and neither NATO nor Russia wanted another nuclear force on either of their doorsteps, particularly given how uncertain things were in the early 1990s. The Budapest Memorandum captured the details of the agreement for Ukraine to remove its nuclear weapons within a defined period of time.
Of note, Russia has already broken the first 2 articles summarized on the Wiki page.
MIflyer
1st Lieutenant
Ukraine also gave up its strategic bomber force of Backfires. They did not want them and Russia would not take them, I guess they thought that merely having the bombers was provocative. So lacking ICBMs and bombers, what would they have delivered the nukes with? They invited the USAF in to destroy them. I always thought we should have taken a few Backfires and given them to Israel.
In that same time period Kazakhstan invited the USAF in to destroy the nuclear weapons test facilities there.
In that same time period Kazakhstan invited the USAF in to destroy the nuclear weapons test facilities there.
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Thumpalumpacus
Major
I remember the denuclearization of former SSRs fairly well. Russia, in the post-Soviet collapse, was very insecure about having these nukes on its doorstep, and America was worried about them falling into the hands of terrorists and mined for dirty-bomb usage. So it was that both sides came together and persuaded the former SSRs which had nukes on them (iirc, Belarus, Ukraine, and Kazakhstan) to give up their stockpiles, which they did for the reason
buffnut453
points out -- that lacking the codes, they were useless anyway.
It seemed to be a bright spot to me at the time, that they could come together and solve this.
buffnut453
points out -- that lacking the codes, they were useless anyway.It seemed to be a bright spot to me at the time, that they could come together and solve this.
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Admiral Beez
Captain
Having nukes wouldn't have prevent Russia's invasion of Ukraine. China having nuclear weapons didn't prevent Russia from attacking China (and vice versa) in 1969. Sino-Soviet border conflict - Wikipedia
Admiral Beez
Captain
What do you mean? Is Ukraine having success with its own tanks that is overshadowed by YouTube MANPATS vids?
Thumpalumpacus
Major
The Ukrainians reputedly have a couple of thousand tanks, mostly old T-72s and a smattering of T-64s which are even older. I haven't read too much about their use or possible successes. Perhaps they're being husbanded?
Thumpalumpacus
Major
Russian forces are transitioning their focus to the southern and eastern portions of Ukraine, prompting Ukrainian officials to warn that battles will be reminiscent of World War II.
Satellite images examined by Maxar Technologies and cited by CNN said a Russian military convoy is moving to southern Ukraine through the town of Velykyi Burluk, which is located in the east.
Russian forces are reportedly planning to move toward the Ukrainian city of Kharkiv, the network reported, citing Friday comments from Ukraine's defense intelligence chief.
thehill.com
No doubt the Ukrainians are taking advantage of interior lines to present the toughest face to the enemy, and hopefully this new convoy is also experiencing logistical difficulties as well, as I've read US defense analysts asserting that those difficulties extend into the territory of Russia proper as well. I'm trying to find that source again and will post it when I do.
ETA: posted this earlier, and repost it with emphasis added:
It may take some time for these units to be reconstituted, and this could be further complicated by continuing failures in logistics. "We believe that they have not solved all of their logistics and sustainment problems and that those problems did not just exist inside Ukraine," he said. "They existed outside Ukraine and still do exist. And so, our sense is that they will likely not be able to reinforce the eastern part of the country with any great speed."
Satellite image of the new convoy, estimated to be eight miles long:
Source
Satellite images examined by Maxar Technologies and cited by CNN said a Russian military convoy is moving to southern Ukraine through the town of Velykyi Burluk, which is located in the east.
Russian forces are reportedly planning to move toward the Ukrainian city of Kharkiv, the network reported, citing Friday comments from Ukraine's defense intelligence chief.
Zelensky expecting ‘many times more’ Russian weaponry in new wave of war
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in a new interview said he is expecting “many times more” Russian weaponry to be used in the next wave of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. Asked during an interv…
thehill.com
No doubt the Ukrainians are taking advantage of interior lines to present the toughest face to the enemy, and hopefully this new convoy is also experiencing logistical difficulties as well, as I've read US defense analysts asserting that those difficulties extend into the territory of Russia proper as well. I'm trying to find that source again and will post it when I do.
ETA: posted this earlier, and repost it with emphasis added:
It may take some time for these units to be reconstituted, and this could be further complicated by continuing failures in logistics. "We believe that they have not solved all of their logistics and sustainment problems and that those problems did not just exist inside Ukraine," he said. "They existed outside Ukraine and still do exist. And so, our sense is that they will likely not be able to reinforce the eastern part of the country with any great speed."
Defense Official Says Conflict in Ukraine
The fight for eastern Ukraine will be a "knife fight," as both sides are familiar with the terrain, population centers and access routes, a senior defense official said.
www.defense.gov
Satellite image of the new convoy, estimated to be eight miles long:
Source
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Thumpalumpacus
Major
Too long to quote, and while an interesting read it seems pretty over-optimistic. Thoughts?
nationalinterest.org
The Breakup: Will Russia Splinter Over War in Ukraine?
Russia is entering a period of political turmoil that is likely to include renewed demands for independence by its constituent republics in a replay of the break-up of the Soviet Union.
nationalinterest.org
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Lo and behold...
I just mentioned here the other day, how the time would be right for Georgia to expel Russian forces from their country and today, I see this...
www.rferl.org
I just mentioned here the other day, how the time would be right for Georgia to expel Russian forces from their country and today, I see this...
In Georgia, Calls Emerge To Retake South Ossetia, Abkhazia
As Russia finds itself increasingly bogged down in Ukraine, social media appeals have emerged in Georgia, a country all too familiar with Russian military aggression, urging people there to retake South Ossetia and Abkhazia, lands lost in the 2008 war with Russia.
www.rferl.org
