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"Rumours have also began circulating in Ukrainian media that Admiral Igor Osipov - the commander of Russia's Black Sea fleet which the Moskva led - has been arrested in what would be the latest in a string of detentions linked to the bungled invasion.
Leonid Nevzlin, a Russian-Israeli businessman who fled the country in 2003 after being targeted by Putin, said yesterday that 20 Russian generals have been arrested over the military's failings along with 150 FSB officers for providing false information about Ukraine's defences."
Looks like a legit pic.Photo allegedly shows damaged Moskva. Take it at whatever value you place on Tweets:
That would be flying in the face of centuries of Russian/Soviet/Imperial culture. Overly capable and overly autonomous subordinates are unruly and threats to the command structure. Their society is not geared to produce the educated, self-motivated, and self-disciplined young folks that our recruiters get to chose from, nor are they economically able to provide the standard of living and professional pride that would make voluntary enlistment attractive enough to retire the conscription system. Now before you burst out in criticism of American youth, realize I'm talking relative terms here.
Before you can trust your troops with any level of initiative and autonomy, you've got to make them more capable and competent than can be expected in a one year enlistment. And you've got to change the training, habits, and attitudes of the officers and NCOs, which is well nigh impossible in a paranoid, top-down power structure such as exists in Stalin/Putin-land.
I was in the Navy when CNO Zumwalt tried to initiate modest changes in the deeply ingrained culture of the service, and the reactions were seismic, culminating In racial tensions and turf riots on ships in combat ops on Yankee Station and Dixie Station..
U.S.S. Stark, frigate, 2 Exocets, remained afloat. Moskva, guided missie cruiser, 2 Neptuns , sunk.
Agreed. HMS Glamorgan managed to turn the ship so that the detected incoming Exocet partially glanced off. Her radar ops and command folks were up to the task.But where they hit matters. A bridge hit hurts. An engineering hit is dangerous. A magazine hit ... well, you know ... The Stark was knocked out of action, but the captain and crew took action to keep the second hit -- which actually exploded and blew out some hull -- out of the water.
Photo allegedly shows damaged Moskva. Take it at whatever value you place on Tweets:
Look at the superstructure in that photo, damn-near all of it's radar array is gone along with what appears to be portions of the structure itself.The damage to the stern bespeaks a major and long-lasting fire.
I think the Russians meant to say it was "bad whether or not".To paraphrase a reply to the tweet, wasn't there supposed to be bad weather?
Look at the superstructure in that photo, damn-near all of it's radar array is gone along with what appears to be portions of the structure itself.
One of the Neptunes had to have hit at or near to cause such damage.
And the hangar door blown open, too.Sure, it's holed upper-side and from the color of the smoke it's clear that there's some fire that hasn't met water.
I just wanted to point out that the stern damage bespeaks something very bad happening there. Missing plating, discoloration, and what seems to be structural damage to the hull.
русский корабль, иди нахуй !
Just to put that in perspective, the AP mk8 16" shell as used on the Iowa class had a bursting charge of 40.9 pounds.In any event, 650-700 lbs of explosive coming aboard quickly is bad for your health. Given the Russian butthurt being shown, I'm in agreement that Ukrainian missiles docked it on the seabed.
Creates its own shrapnel as it plows through the armor. Doesn't need too much charge to spread it around once it's in. Guaranteed to set off any flammables or explodables inside.Just to put that in perspective, the AP mk8 16" shell as used on the Iowa class had a bursting charge of 40.9 pounds.
A hit in a missile magazine? Doesn't look good for the bridge crew. Skipper was KIA, wasn't he? Not good for damage control management.Photo allegedly shows damaged Moskva. Take it at whatever value you place on Tweets:
A friend and former USN officer (he retired as the captain of a DDG) said he was told the Exocet destroyed the damage control center, making it more difficult to deal with the fires.A hit in a missile magazine? Doesn't look good for the bridge crew. Skipper was KIA, wasn't he? Not good for damage control management.