"All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again." (4 Viewers)

[WARSPITER]

The Moskva - another victim of sudden catastrophic climate change.

 

[swampyankee]

The Moskva - another victim of sudden catastrophic climate change.

Well, at least of the political climate.

 

[buffnut453]

The Kremlin has (not) responded to the videos purportedly showing Moskva before she sank (reporting from BBC):

We reported earlier that pictures and a credible video have emerged showing damage to Russia's Moskva warship, which sank in the Black Sea last week.

The footage and two images all match the shape and design of the Russian Black Sea Fleet flagship, a BBC analysis shows.

The Kremlin has now responded.

"We did see the footage, but we can't say how authentic and true it is," President Vladimir Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov said.

Ukraine says it successfully struck the Moskva with two Ukrainian-made Neptune missiles, while Moscow alleges it was damaged after an explosion and subsequently sank because of "stormy seas".


I love the "we can't say how authentic it is" comment. They're usually so quick to condemn "fake" videos like the ones of civilian bodies in Bucha...but now they can't say for certain that the video of Moskva is a fake? Hmmm....perhaps it's genuine?

Hope the person who created the video doesn't end up joining the Moskva.

 

[SaparotRob]

Well, at least of the political climate.

(wish I thought of that.)

 

[GTX]

 

[SaparotRob]

They should have added a few 40 mm Bofors.

 

[Admiral Beez]

The Kremlin has (not) responded to the videos purportedly showing Moskva before she sank....

This is not the first major Russian naval loss under Putin's government. Putin took a lot of unprecedented public abuse over the loss of the Kursk.

 

[space dodo]

This is not the first major Russian naval loss under Putin's government. Putin took a lot of unprecedented public abuse over the loss of the Kursk.

never forget the lives lost in that hell hole.

 

[Jagdflieger]

The Moskva - another victim of sudden catastrophic climate change

Well maybe it can contribute towards founding corral reefs in the Black sea.

Regards
Jagdflieger

 

[vikingBerserker]

I assume to the left and right of the Air Defense radar are fire hoses spraying water. What the heck is the one on the right spraying water on?

 

[Admiral Beez]

never forget the lives lost in that hell hole.

I'm thinking a lot of Russians haven't forgot either, and this latest loss, especially if the official cause is accidental rather than combat will annoy them again.

 

[buffnut453]

I assume to the left and right of the Air Defense radar are fire hoses spraying water. What the heck is the one on the right spraying water on?

I'm thinking they're outlets for the pumps that are trying to counter the flooding.

 

[space dodo]

I'm thinking a lot of Russians haven't forgot either, and this latest loss, especially if the official cause is accidental rather than combat will annoy them again.

perhaps it will be sufficient for a coup ?

 

[Admiral Beez]

perhaps it will be sufficient for a coup ?

No, Russians always prefer a strong man autocrat for their government. If there is a coup it will be from another strong man wanting to take power.

 

[XBe02Drvr]

perhaps it will be sufficient for a coup ?

Dream on! Short of another 1917 they haven't got it in them. The DQ (Desperation Quotient) is nowhere near that level yet.

 

[buffnut453]

I'm thinking a lot of Russians haven't forgot either, and this latest loss, especially if the official cause is accidental rather than combat will annoy them again.

Interesting "horns of a dilemma" problem there. Does the Kremlin blame an attack by Ukraine, which is a major shift in narrative and inspires criticism that the Black Sea Fleet' flagship couldn't defend itself....or do they stick with the accidental fire story which suggests incompetence within the Russian Navy.

 

[GTX]

Interesting analysis, especially in regard to the information operations outside of the Western Nations:

Putin is trying to overwhelm Ukrainian forces — but his strategy goes beyond troops and air strikes

Over the weekend, the Russian military conducted a series of strategic strikes on targets across Ukraine. But Putin is looking for different ways to get on the offensive, writes Mick Ryan.

www.abc.net.au

 

[buffnut453]

We're hearing more about the signs that Russia is beginning its new offensive in the east of the country.

Earlier we told you about a social media post from Ukraine's Armed Forces Command.

Now Ukraine's National Security Council Secretary Oleksiy Danilov has said Russia attempted to break through Ukranian defences "along almost the entire front line of Donetsk, Luhansk and Kharkiv regions".

"They began their attempt to start the active phase," he added, in comments that were televised.

He said Russian troops had captured the town of Kreminna, about 50km (31 miles) northeast of Kramatorsk, but Ukrainian troops were "holding the line" in the other areas.

Read more about the potential key battles in the east of Ukraine here.

 

[Admiral Beez]

Dream on! Short of another 1917 they haven't got it in them. The DQ (Desperation Quotient) is nowhere near that level yet.

A public coup, agreed. But the generals might tire of being "heart attacked" and see Putin's failings in Ukraine as an opportunity.

 

[vikingBerserker]

Its a race to see who will kill the most Russian Generals, the Ukrainians or the Russians.