"All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again." (29 Viewers)
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swampyankee
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Well, at least of the political climate.
buffnut453
Captain
The Kremlin has (not) responded to the videos purportedly showing Moskva before she sank (reporting from BBC):
We reported earlier that pictures and a credible video have emerged showing damage to Russia's Moskva warship, which sank in the Black Sea last week.
The footage and two images all match the shape and design of the Russian Black Sea Fleet flagship, a BBC analysis shows.
The Kremlin has now responded.
"We did see the footage, but we can't say how authentic and true it is," President Vladimir Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov said.
Ukraine says it successfully struck the Moskva with two Ukrainian-made Neptune missiles, while Moscow alleges it was damaged after an explosion and subsequently sank because of "stormy seas".
I love the "we can't say how authentic it is" comment. They're usually so quick to condemn "fake" videos like the ones of civilian bodies in Bucha...but now they can't say for certain that the video of Moskva is a fake? Hmmm....perhaps it's genuine?
Hope the person who created the video doesn't end up joining the Moskva.
We reported earlier that pictures and a credible video have emerged showing damage to Russia's Moskva warship, which sank in the Black Sea last week.
The footage and two images all match the shape and design of the Russian Black Sea Fleet flagship, a BBC analysis shows.
The Kremlin has now responded.
"We did see the footage, but we can't say how authentic and true it is," President Vladimir Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov said.
Ukraine says it successfully struck the Moskva with two Ukrainian-made Neptune missiles, while Moscow alleges it was damaged after an explosion and subsequently sank because of "stormy seas".
I love the "we can't say how authentic it is" comment. They're usually so quick to condemn "fake" videos like the ones of civilian bodies in Bucha...but now they can't say for certain that the video of Moskva is a fake? Hmmm....perhaps it's genuine?
Hope the person who created the video doesn't end up joining the Moskva.
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
They should have added a few 40 mm Bofors.
Admiral Beez
Major
This is not the first major Russian naval loss under Putin's government. Putin took a lot of unprecedented public abuse over the loss of the Kursk.
space dodo
Airman 1st Class
never forget the lives lost in that hell hole.
Jagdflieger
Senior Airman
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Well maybe it can contribute towards founding corral reefs in the Black sea.
Regards
Jagdflieger
vikingBerserker
Lieutenant General
I assume to the left and right of the Air Defense radar are fire hoses spraying water. What the heck is the one on the right spraying water on?
Admiral Beez
Major
I'm thinking a lot of Russians haven't forgot either, and this latest loss, especially if the official cause is accidental rather than combat will annoy them again.
buffnut453
Captain
I'm thinking they're outlets for the pumps that are trying to counter the flooding.
space dodo
Airman 1st Class
perhaps it will be sufficient for a coup ?
Admiral Beez
Major
No, Russians always prefer a strong man autocrat for their government. If there is a coup it will be from another strong man wanting to take power.
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Dream on! Short of another 1917 they haven't got it in them. The DQ (Desperation Quotient) is nowhere near that level yet.
buffnut453
Captain
Interesting "horns of a dilemma" problem there. Does the Kremlin blame an attack by Ukraine, which is a major shift in narrative and inspires criticism that the Black Sea Fleet' flagship couldn't defend itself....or do they stick with the accidental fire story which suggests incompetence within the Russian Navy.
Interesting analysis, especially in regard to the information operations outside of the Western Nations:
www.abc.net.au
Putin is trying to overwhelm Ukrainian forces — but his strategy goes beyond troops and air strikes
Over the weekend, the Russian military conducted a series of strategic strikes on targets across Ukraine. But Putin is looking for different ways to get on the offensive, writes Mick Ryan.
www.abc.net.au
buffnut453
Captain
We're hearing more about the signs that Russia is beginning its new offensive in the east of the country.
Earlier we told you about a social media post from Ukraine's Armed Forces Command.
Now Ukraine's National Security Council Secretary Oleksiy Danilov has said Russia attempted to break through Ukranian defences "along almost the entire front line of Donetsk, Luhansk and Kharkiv regions".
"They began their attempt to start the active phase," he added, in comments that were televised.
He said Russian troops had captured the town of Kreminna, about 50km (31 miles) northeast of Kramatorsk, but Ukrainian troops were "holding the line" in the other areas.
Read more about the potential key battles in the east of Ukraine here.
Earlier we told you about a social media post from Ukraine's Armed Forces Command.
Now Ukraine's National Security Council Secretary Oleksiy Danilov has said Russia attempted to break through Ukranian defences "along almost the entire front line of Donetsk, Luhansk and Kharkiv regions".
"They began their attempt to start the active phase," he added, in comments that were televised.
He said Russian troops had captured the town of Kreminna, about 50km (31 miles) northeast of Kramatorsk, but Ukrainian troops were "holding the line" in the other areas.
Read more about the potential key battles in the east of Ukraine here.
Admiral Beez
Major
A public coup, agreed. But the generals might tire of being "heart attacked" and see Putin's failings in Ukraine as an opportunity.
vikingBerserker
Lieutenant General
Its a race to see who will kill the most Russian Generals, the Ukrainians or the Russians.
