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RogerdeLluria said:
Russian channels claim that the Russian army stopped the AFU attempt to cross the Seversky Donets River, where the Ukrainian army created a pontoon crossing and tried to cross the river (sounds familiar). I searched about that but found no evidence other than russian claims. Some even claim that 72 Ukranian vehicles where destroyed in the failed crossing. Number that is suspiciously close the Ukranian claims :rolleyes:


The only evidence is this video, that shows little to no evidence at all, looks more like a propaganda video.


I detected this claims right after the info about Ukraine stopping several RU crossing attempts started to spread. Anyone has seen any evidence on that?

Interesting that right after the UAF attacks on snake island. Russian claims (with no evidence) also started to circulate that UAF lost several planes helicopters, ships, men and drones trying to assault snake Island.
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Perhaps an attempt to explain away pictures they cannot stop some Russians from seeing?
 
RUSKA LOZOVA, Ukraine, May 15 (Reuters) - The front lines in Ukraine had shifted on Sunday as Russia made advances in the fiercely contested eastern Donbas region and Ukraine's military waged a counteroffensive near the strategic Russian-held city of Izium.

Near the northeastern city of Kharkiv, where Ukrainian forces have been on the attack since early this month, commanders said they believed Russia had been withdrawing troops to reinforce positions around Izium to the south.

[...]

In Ruska Lozova, a village set in sweeping fields between Kharkiv and Ukraine's border with Russia, Ukrainian commanders said they believed Moscow was redeploying troops to defend Izium while keeping their opponents pinned down with artillery fire.

"The Russian attack on Kharkiv has been destroyed and they understand this," said Ihor Obolensky, who commands the National Guard and volunteer force that captured Ruska Lozova eight days ago. "They need to try for a new victory and want to hold Izium."

[...]

But Ukraine's military also acknowledged setbacks in an update on Sunday morning: "Despite losses, Russian forces continue to advance in the Lyman, Sievierodonetsk, Avdiivka and Kurakhiv areas in the broader Donbas region."

www.reuters.com

Battle rages for Ukrainian region of Donbas

Russia pummelled positions in the east of Ukraine on Sunday, its defence ministry said, as it sought to encircle Ukrainian forces in the battle for Donbas and fend off a counteroffensive around the strategic Russian-controlled city of Izium.
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com

ETA:


"Russia's war in Ukraine is not going as Moscow had planned," NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said, speaking by video as he recovers from a COVID-19 infection." "They failed to take Kiev. They are pulling back from around Kharkiv. Their major offensive in Donbas has stalled. Russia is not achieving its strategic objectives."

"Ukraine can win this war," he said, adding that NATO must continue to step up its military support to the country.

 
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Zipper730 said:
Wow
Is it like garlic, cucumber, with some dill?
Agreed!
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Doner is the original. Gyro, Shawarma (and from Shawarma, Tacos Al Pastor) and Donair (the Canadian version) are derivatives. In fact, the name Gyro is relatively recent. They were known as doners until the 70s. From Wiki "Shawarma is an Arabic rendering of Turkish çevirme [tʃeviɾˈme] 'turning', referring to the turning rotisserie". "The name comes from the Greek γύρος (gyros, 'circle' or 'turn'), and is a calque of the Turkish word döner, from dönmek, also meaning "turn".[14]​ It was originally called ντονέρ (pronounced [doˈner]) in Greece."
They have diverged but they are all good in their own way. I have no problem eating any of them.
 
Reluctant Poster said:
Doner is the original. Gyro, Shawarma (and from Shawarma, Tacos Al Pastor) and Donair (the Canadian version) are derivatives. In fact, the name Gyro is relatively recent. They were known as doners until the 70s. From Wiki "Shawarma is an Arabic rendering of Turkish çevirme [tʃeviɾˈme] 'turning', referring to the turning rotisserie". "The name comes from the Greek γύρος (gyros, 'circle' or 'turn'), and is a calque of the Turkish word döner, from dönmek, also meaning "turn".[14]​ It was originally called ντονέρ (pronounced [doˈner]) in Greece."
They have diverged but they are all good in their own way. I have no problem eating any of them.
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Al Pastor was introduced to Mexico by Lebanese immigrants in the late 1800's.

It's really good (though I prefer Carne Asada), especially when prepared the traditional way.
 
Reluctant Poster said:
Doner is the original. Gyro, Shawarma (and from Shawarma, Tacos Al Pastor) and Donair (the Canadian version) are derivatives. In fact, the name Gyro is relatively recent. They were known as doners until the 70s. From Wiki "Shawarma is an Arabic rendering of Turkish çevirme [tʃeviɾˈme] 'turning', referring to the turning rotisserie". "The name comes from the Greek γύρος (gyros, 'circle' or 'turn'), and is a calque of the Turkish word döner, from dönmek, also meaning "turn".[14]​ It was originally called ντονέρ (pronounced [doˈner]) in Greece."
They have diverged but they are all good in their own way. I have no problem eating any of them.
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Actually no, the Döner Kebab that is popular today is not the original, but its the best.

Turkish immigrants in Berlin came up with it. . The modern sandwich variant of döner kebab was derived and popularized in Berlin since the 1960s by Turkish immigrants. This has been recognized by the Association of Turkish Doner Manufacturers in 2011. Nowadays there are more döner kebab stores in Berlin than in Istanbul.

en.m.wikipedia.org

Doner kebab - Wikipedia

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RogerdeLluria said:
Russian channels claim that the Russian army stopped the AFU attempt to cross the Seversky Donets River, where the Ukrainian army created a pontoon crossing and tried to cross the river (sounds familiar). I searched about that but found no evidence other than russian claims. Some even claim that 72 Ukranian vehicles where destroyed in the failed crossing. Number that is suspiciously close the Ukranian claims :rolleyes:


The only evidence is this video, that shows little to no evidence at all, looks more like a propaganda video.


I detected this claims right after the info about Ukraine stopping several RU crossing attempts started to spread. Anyone has seen any evidence on that?

Interesting that right after the UAF attacks on snake island. Russian claims (with no evidence) also started to circulate that UAF lost several planes helicopters, ships, men and drones trying to assault snake Island.
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Wow! Give it time and they will be claiming Ukraine launched invasion of Russia...
 
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