Admiral Beez
Captain
Well, we all need our cheap electronics and shoes from China. Even the Indians.
"All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again." (4 Viewers)
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at6
1st Sergeant
I didn't know that "Gorby" was still alive.
Admiral Beez
Captain
He's the second oldest living Russian leader by far, bested only by the 96 y/o Vyacheslav Molotov.
Boris Yeltsin, died 2007, aged 76
Vladimir Ivashko, died in 1994 aged 62
Konstantin Chernenko died in 1985 aged 73
Yuri Andropov died 1984 aged 69
Leonid Brezhnev died 1982 aged 75
Nikita Khrushchev died 1971 aged 77
Joseph Stalin died 1953 aged 74
Nikolay Krestinsky died 1938, aged 54
In October Putin will be 70. If he makes it to 75 it'll be unexpected, especially with his apparent illness.
Talk earlier in this thread about how someone should buy civilian MiGs for Ukraine... looks like it may have happened according to Newsweek:
Pakistani Billionaire Buys Fighter Jets for Ukraine, His Famous Wife Says
fubar57
General
I've used it three times, one the same, one to shorten up threads from over quotes and one copy/paste king
Admiral Beez
Captain
How many fighters? Which models? Where do they come from?
I bet Ukraine could do wonders with a some squadrons of PAC JF-17s. It was in contention before the war.
Ukrainian Air Force Hunts for New Fighter jets
A Ukraine Air Force (UAF) delegation headed by Colonel General Sergii Drozdov, UAF Commander visited Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAF) Kamra on March 06 this year setting off speculation that Kiev was looking at buying the JF-17 Block III, whose first flight had taken place in January. The...
www.globaldefensecorp.com
Ukraine To Spend $12 Billion To Replace Soviet-era Fighters And SAM
A total of $12 billion — this is how much Ukraine should spend in the next 15 years in order to renovate its rapidly aging and weakening airpower, according to the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense. A concept of development through the year 2035 presented by Ukraine’s Air Forces (UAF) on May...
www.globaldefensecorp.com
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
Yeah, this is turning comical. Replacing Soviet equipment with cheap Chinese knock-offs.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Better still, destroying Russian targets with Soviet knock-offs made in a Communist country.
If that's not the ultimate in irony, I don't know what is.
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
Didn't China acquire Saab automotive a few years back?
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
The Automotive division of SAAB, yes.
SAAB Aerospace is still owned by the Wallenberg family. They sold the auto division because it was operating in the red.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
HELSINKI, May 18 (Reuters) - Finland and Sweden will buy portable firearms and anti-tank weapons together, Finland's defence ministry said on Wednesday, as the two Nordic country's handed in their applications to join the Western military alliance NATO.
The two countries will step up their cooperation in defence procurement by Finland joining an agreement to acquire anti-tank weapons from Swedish weapons maker Saab Dynamics, a subsidiary of Saab (SAABb.ST), the ministry said.
Finland's defence minister Antti Kaikkonen also authorised preparations for a joint purchase of small fire arms including assault rifles, shotguns and arms for personal protection, the ministry said.
Russia's invasion of Ukraine prompted Finland and Sweden to apply to join NATO.
www.reuters.com
Driving nations against it was probably not Putin's goal.
The two countries will step up their cooperation in defence procurement by Finland joining an agreement to acquire anti-tank weapons from Swedish weapons maker Saab Dynamics, a subsidiary of Saab (SAABb.ST), the ministry said.
Finland's defence minister Antti Kaikkonen also authorised preparations for a joint purchase of small fire arms including assault rifles, shotguns and arms for personal protection, the ministry said.
Russia's invasion of Ukraine prompted Finland and Sweden to apply to join NATO.
Finland and Sweden to buy firearms, anti-tank weapons together
Finland and Sweden will buy portable firearms and anti-tank weapons together, Finland's defence ministry said on Wednesday, as the two Nordic country's handed in their applications to join the Western military alliance NATO.
www.reuters.com
Driving nations against it was probably not Putin's goal.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
NEW DELHI — High in the Himalayas, an enormous fistfight erupted in early May between the soldiers of China and India. Brawls at 14,000 feet along their inhospitable and disputed frontier are not terribly unusual, but what happened next was.
A few days later, Chinese troops confronted Indian soldiers again, this time at several other remote border points in the Himalayas, some more than 1,000 miles apart. Since then both armies have rushed in thousands of reinforcements. Indian analysts say that China has beefed up its forces with dump trucks, excavators, troop carriers, artillery and armored vehicles and that China is now occupying Indian territory.
No shots have been fired, as the de facto border code dictates, but the soldiers have fought fiercely with rocks, wooden clubs and their hands in a handful of clashes. In one melee at the glacial lake Pangong Tso, several Indian troops were hurt badly enough that they had to be evacuated by helicopter, and Indian analysts said Chinese troops were injured as well.
Nobody thinks China and India are about to go to war. But the escalating buildup has turned into their most serious confrontation since 2017 and may be a sign of more trouble to come as the world's two most populous countries increasingly bump up against each other in one of the bleakest and most remote borderlands on earth.
China and India Brawl at 14,000 Feet Along the Border (Published 2020)
As China projects its power across Asia, and along the disputed India-China border in the Himalayas, India is feeling surrounded. Both sides insist they don’t want a war, but thousands of troops have been sent.
While "hate" may be a strong word, "tension" seems fairly appropriate.
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
So shouldn't China then be justified in protecting its fellow Saab speaking citizens of Saab Aero?
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
If that's the case, then we'll lose a portion of San Francisco, too...
It will not be JF-17 for sure -this airplane is using RD-93 engine made by orcs and avionics made in PRC. It means seling it to Ukraine is highly, highly improbable. Above all prgress in relation to Mig-29 and Su-27 in Ukrainian inventory will be marginal at best. Personally i will not be surprised if they will be supplied with surplus JAS-39C/D.
RogerdeLluria
Staff Sergeant
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Those where prewar plans. The war changed everything. So far they are being provided with surplus or retired Migs or "mig parts", however I guess they will run out fast.
Total production of JAS-39 < 300, not many surplus around.
The only viable option is surplus F-16, total production was almost 5000, I guess surplus F-16 are much more abundant. And some countries are already replacing them.
A few weeks ago I read unconfirmed rumours that a selected group of Ukranian pilots where already training on F-16s, but haven't seen any evidence since then.
RogerdeLluria
Staff Sergeant
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- Jul 5, 2015
Guess Russians don't know how Wikipedia works.
RogerdeLluria
Staff Sergeant
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- Jul 5, 2015
Some evidence of purges going on.
According to UK Defence Intel, two Russian senior commanders were "suspended" due to their poor performance in Ukraine.
According to UK Defence Intel, two Russian senior commanders were "suspended" due to their poor performance in Ukraine.
Admiral Beez
Captain
Whoops, my last post was referring to something from last summer. Deleted.
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RogerdeLluria
Staff Sergeant
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Found this article very interesting.
www.foreignaffairs.com
The Russian Military’s People Problem
It’s hard for Moscow to win while mistreating its soldiers.
