Thumpalumpacus
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Admiral Beez
Captain
Patriots aside, is there any update to providing Western MBTs or combat aircraft? I expect a lot of that latest money goes to procuring ammunition, maintenance and spares for existing systems like HIMARs and SPGs.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
Not that I've heard, and only one Patriot battery is being sent -- four vehicles, 16 missiles. The gist I've read is that this may loosen up reservations against other high-tech stuff, but I'll wait 'til the eggs hatch before counting chickens.
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
All I want for Christmas is a whole buncha' blue and yellow F-16s for the winter offensive. HARMS to go with them would be nice.
MiTasol
1st Lieutenant
I have been watching Twitter die and be replaced by Mastodon on other forums but have yet to see a Mastodon post here.
This surprises me seeing that Musk wants Ukraine to give Crimea and the other four territories to the Poo-tin.
Mastodon is becoming so mainstream that even the Washington Post has a new article, A guide to getting started with Twitter alternative Mastodon.
And Time has a very interesting take on Musk at The Clarifying Moment Elon Musk Has Given Us
This surprises me seeing that Musk wants Ukraine to give Crimea and the other four territories to the Poo-tin.
Mastodon is becoming so mainstream that even the Washington Post has a new article, A guide to getting started with Twitter alternative Mastodon.
And Time has a very interesting take on Musk at The Clarifying Moment Elon Musk Has Given Us
ThomasP
Senior Master Sergeant
re additional Patriot systems.
Something that is often overlooked is that this war is not a 'conventional' or traditional type of US war. There are a lot of unknowns on all sides.
The US/NATO deployed HIMARS/MLRS to Ukraine slowly at first partly due to the time needed for training, but also partly due to the unknown of whether the systems would survive long enough to be useful (as opposed to "Hey look at that, they fired one load and got taken out by Russian counter-battery or air strike. Hmmm, boy it sure seemed like a good idea".)
The Patriot system is going to have the same potential problems to be dealt with. Even if we are willing to send a large number of systems, the US/NATO higher-ups will want to be sure they will be sustainable/survivable. And that is ignoring the problem of information/intel the Russians will gather on the Patriot system capabilities once it starts being used operationally - in effect the Russians will be able to 'test' the Patriot system to a significant degree and have the chance to develop work-around tactics and possibly sophisticated electronic countermeasures.
We will send more Patriot systems if it proves survivable, effective, and needed - just as with the HIMARS/MLRS.
Something that is often overlooked is that this war is not a 'conventional' or traditional type of US war. There are a lot of unknowns on all sides.
The US/NATO deployed HIMARS/MLRS to Ukraine slowly at first partly due to the time needed for training, but also partly due to the unknown of whether the systems would survive long enough to be useful (as opposed to "Hey look at that, they fired one load and got taken out by Russian counter-battery or air strike. Hmmm, boy it sure seemed like a good idea".)
The Patriot system is going to have the same potential problems to be dealt with. Even if we are willing to send a large number of systems, the US/NATO higher-ups will want to be sure they will be sustainable/survivable. And that is ignoring the problem of information/intel the Russians will gather on the Patriot system capabilities once it starts being used operationally - in effect the Russians will be able to 'test' the Patriot system to a significant degree and have the chance to develop work-around tactics and possibly sophisticated electronic countermeasures.
We will send more Patriot systems if it proves survivable, effective, and needed - just as with the HIMARS/MLRS.
ThomasP
Senior Master Sergeant
buzz-buzz, BRRRRRT-BRRRRRT
RogerdeLluria
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Thumpalumpacus
Major
Musk is a twatwaffle extraordinaire.
RogerdeLluria
Staff Sergeant
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A few days ago we were talking about cost-effective ways to stop Iranian drones.
Here is a (very) cost-effective way of stopping Lancet loitering munitions.
Guess those Iranian drones are not better.
Here is a (very) cost-effective way of stopping Lancet loitering munitions.
Guess those Iranian drones are not better.
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"Twatwaffle"? Is that a euphemism for "oligarch wannabe"? Odd that he should want to join a species facing extinction. Tallyrand he's not.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
If I wanted to spell out what a twatwaffle is I'd have to use language I wouldn't use here.
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I can imagine. The word's not hard to deconstruct.If I wanted to spell out what a twatwaffle is I'd have to use language I wouldn't use here.
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You know, previous US policy toward Ukrainian air defense could be encapsulated in the title of Tom Clancy's second novel in the John Patrick Ryan series, Patriot Games. Thank God that's over at last! "Running out the clock", as we've been doing is downright shameful.
Admiral Beez
Captain
The Washington Post is owned by Bezos. He hates Musk and will print anything to disparage him. I tried Mastodon, but as far as I could see you had to choose areas of interest and assign yourself to different silos. I don't think Mastodon is the threat to Twitter that Bezo Inc. suggests it may be. Always ask why is this being reported, in addition to what.
Shrug. I happily nuked my bird account and moved to the extinct mammut.
universeodon.com
I find it quite easy to do what I want to there and they have no toleration for those out to lie and deceive for any reason. I follow about 90% of the same ones I followed at the bird place.
Of course, my biggest interest is in posting my landscape photography so there is that.
William Lewis III (@[email protected])
90 Posts, 78 Following, 35 Followers · Fat old US Army NCO. Socialist. Acceptably good photographer. It's always a good day to fight the fascists, at home and abroad. Slava Ukraini! Bellator Iustitia Socialis Leica & Nikon digital Rolleicord & Super Ikonta film.
I find it quite easy to do what I want to there and they have no toleration for those out to lie and deceive for any reason. I follow about 90% of the same ones I followed at the bird place.
Of course, my biggest interest is in posting my landscape photography so there is that.
'We will find you': How Russia used threats and torture to track down prominent Ukrainians
In a deliberate and widespread campaign, Russian forces systematically targeted influential Ukrainians to neutralise resistance through detention, torture and executions.
www.abc.net.au
MiTasol
1st Lieutenant
Stop insulting twatwaffle extraordinaires.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
I think it's more a matter of us playing solid D, to extend the football metaphor. By feeding in equipment and supplies, we've forced the Russians to try running out the clock with their attacks on infrastructure and civilians because they know they cannot win with offense. They're trying to wear down the defenders.
I agree with your gist that we should simply open up the cabinet and offer what's inside to put this war to bed quickly, though. You'd think we would have learnt from Vietnam that gradually increasing pressure only allows the other side to adapt and perhaps overcome.
I'd love to see a Ukrainian spring offensive armed with MLRS/modern howitzers, ideally tanks (but I doubt that will happen in this timeframe), and covered by Patriots and F-16s. Those mofos would know what to do with the kit! A Admiral Beez is right, we need to get off our duffs and get Ukraine modern MBTs to make the most of the synergy that comes with the other weapons we've provided. These things were designed and built as a complete toolkit. Don't give 'em a Phillips-head one week, a ratchet set the next, etc. They need to understand how to integrate it all.
ETA: don't forget the Warthogs!
