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Which reminds me. Most of us are A-10 fans. It's better than the plane Ukraine uses, the Su-25. Neither side can use the Su-25 to full effect. The A-10 will do the job while not being used better than the Su-25 not being used. Training, maintaining and equipping A-10s are resources not being used for more capable and survivable platforms.
Although the AFU hasn't once asked me advice, they seem to know what they are doing. They don't want A-10s. As much as I like them and as useful they can be, the Warthog's time has passed.
 
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I think there is a misunderstanding here.

The Ukrainians are not asking for F-16s because they think the A-10 is useless or would not like to have them, or even that the A-10 is less survivable than the F-16 in the ground attack/CAS rolls. They are asking for F-16s because they are running low on air superiority airframes. Without air superiority airframes to provide cover for the A-10s (or any other airframe operating in ground attack/CAS) the Ukrainians cannot do (much) ground attack/CAS - regardless of what airframe they have available.
 
Remember, kids, Ukraine plays it's cards close to it's vest - last summer, the U.S. approved funding for training Ukrainian Pilots and English speaking pilots were sent to the U.S. for training, including A-10 flight school.

And in other news...possible German Panthers in Ukraine.

Nooo, not those Panthers, these Panthers:

www.armyrecognition.com

Rheinmetall from Germany negotiates with Ukraine construction of tank

According to information published on March 4, 2023, by the German newspaper website "Spiegel" the German company Rheinmetall is negotiating the constructi
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Admiral Beez said:
It's Stalingrad all over again. There was no reason for Paulus to ignore his flanks and the greater mission
and grind his forces into nothingness. It's supposed to be a blitzkrieg, not a sitskreig.
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Thumpalumpacus said:
Target-fixation is a thing, and has been for a long time. The Ukrainians are, I think, being adroit in taking advantage of this. If Russia wishes to persist in its illusion of this being a strategic requirement -- and that's what it is, an illusion -- the any sound general would of course continue letting them entertain that.

It's a big weakness of authoritarian countries, that they tend to grow yes-men. Or as my dad told me once when I was young, "a friend is not someone who tells you what you want to hear, a friend is someone who tells you what you need to hear." But in an autocracy such as Putin's, friends like that are hard to come by, I imagine.
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Yep, Stalingrad all over again and target fixation.

Not as good history student as he think he is, uncle Vlad.
 
GrauGeist said:
These idiots wave nukes around like they have something special - they fail to realize that a nuclear weapon is like a boomerang: you toss one out and it'll come right back...
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That's the problem with fanatics - they always forgot that little detail. Or they chose to ignore it. That's also the danger if someone kills Putin - you'll never know who gets control of his boombox.
 
Thumpalumpacus said:
The F-16 is a better fit because it can also do air-superiority missions. That doesn't, however, mean the A-10 couldn't perform its own mission-profile. Remember that low-altitude flight works to reduce the range advantage of enemy SAMs; the lower the plane, the closer the SAM battery must be, and the SAM batteries are going to be thinking about HIMARs at a certain point.

Those F-16s will be subject to the same SAM systems up high, but are generally more vulnerable to local counter-air down low. The big advantage they offer is countering Russian missile/drone strikes of the subsonic variety, and providing some CAS/BAI.

I'd give 'em both airframes, and let them work out for themselves how they might be used.
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I think the one advantage a modern F16 would have is in up to date ECM. If they can negate the long range S300/400 SAMS then things could change very quickly. Control of the sky's would be with Ukraine even if its a local air superiority.

The question is would the USA let them have it
 
GrauGeist said:
Remember, kids, Ukraine plays it's cards close to it's vest - last summer, the U.S. approved funding for training Ukrainian Pilots and English speaking pilots were sent to the U.S. for training, including A-10 flight school.

And in other news...possible German Panthers in Ukraine.

Nooo, not those Panthers, these Panthers:

www.armyrecognition.com

Rheinmetall from Germany negotiates with Ukraine construction of tank

According to information published on March 4, 2023, by the German newspaper website "Spiegel" the German company Rheinmetall is negotiating the constructi
www.armyrecognition.com www.armyrecognition.com
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Just like the original, It is one cool looking MF
 
Glider said:
I think the one advantage a modern F16 would have is in up to date ECM. If they can negate the long range S300/400 SAMS then things could change very quickly. Control of the sky's would be with Ukraine even if its a local air superiority.

The question is would the USA let them have it
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An EC-130 would be far more effective with its ECM than an F-16.
 
manta22 said:
An EC-130 would be far more effective with its ECM than an F-16.
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Tactically I don't think so. Ukraine will still be heavily outnumbered in the air and an EC130 would be both target No 1 and very vulnerable. F16's would be flying frequently and often in small numbers and would need protection every time. An Ec130 may well be better for a pre-planned mission as part of a package but for every day, all day. The F16 (or F18) with its own ECM is likely to be of more benefit
 
Glider said:
Tactically I don't think so. Ukraine will still be heavily outnumbered in the air and an EC130 would be both target No 1 and very vulnerable. F16's would be flying frequently and often in small numbers and would need protection every time. An Ec130 may well be better for a pre-planned mission as part of a package but for every day, all day. The F16 (or F18) with its own ECM is likely to be of more benefit
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The output power (ERP= Effective Radiated Power) of an EC-130 is enormous. Moreover it carries a large amount of SIGINT/ELINT equipment and trained operators as a payload. An F-16 has some ECM, but TOGETHER with EC-130 support and a coordinated attack with A-10s, this would be devastating to armor.
 
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