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LONDON, July 3 (Reuters) - Dmitry Medvedev, Russia's former president, has warned that Moscow's confrontation with the West will last decades and that its conflict with Ukraine could become permanent.
Thing is, here in the West we can politically, militarily and economically isolate Russia and can backstop Ukraine's offensive for years if we must - all while living and enjoying our daily lives. The Europeans won't need any Russian oil or gas next winter. Day by day Ukraine's and NATO's militaries are becoming stronger. Traditional Russian friends like India are increasingly looking to Washington as a counter to China, while China has climaxed and now looks over the precipice at a demographic and economic dive. By 2030, Russia will be a rotted out husk of a broken heap. We can outlast Russia.
 
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LONDON, July 3 (Reuters) - Dmitry Medvedev, Russia's former president, has warned that Moscow's confrontation with the West will last decades and that its conflict with Ukraine could become permanent.

Medvedev, once seen in the West as a liberal moderniser, has emerged as one of Russia's most outspoken hawks since Moscow launched what it called a "special military operation" in Ukraine last year.

Now deputy head of the Security Council, his views reflect some of the thinking at the Kremlin's top level, according to Russian officials.

In an article for the government's Rossiiskaya Gazeta newspaper, he said tensions between Russia and the West were "much worse" than during the 1962 Cuban missile crisis when the world teetered on the edge of a nuclear conflagration.

A nuclear war was "quite probable" but was unlikely to have any winners, said Medvedev, who has repeatedly said Western support for Ukraine increases the chances of nuclear conflict.

He cited sharp differences over Ukraine, the direction of humankind, and the way the world order was structured.





Forgive my belaboring the obvious, but if this war lasts "forever" it will sink any Russian government making it thus. Is he really so stupid that he's threatening the West that Russia will climb into a quagmire?

This is all bluster.
"Staying alive, staying alive
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Staying Alive "
Remember the posts, he who is craziest lives?
 
We're all waiting for a big counteroffensive. But NATO would never conceive of a counteroffensive without first achieving air superiority. We're asking Ukraine to do what we would not, while we refuse them the kit to achieved what we would require.
 
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Who's refusing aircraft to Ukraine?

As with any primary weapon platform (aircraft, tanks, etc.), you just can't drop everything, grab a bunch of fighters and rush them halfway around the world.

If the aircraft has been stored, then it has to reconditioned and certified fit. Then it has to be moved to a depot and from there, transported to a destination and then delivered. If there are any modifications needed, these can be done at the sponsering nation's depot or at the final destination.

If the aircraft is in current inventory, then it has to wait until it's replacement arrives and then taken to a center where any proprietary (sensitive) equipment is removed and then transported to a depot and from there follows a similar path as mentioned above.

There there's logistics: spare parts, soare wheels & tires, spare engines, spare weapons (if so equipped), spare hardware, spare wiring harnesses and so on. And all of these have to be logged, audited, crated and shipped out.

Then there's training, both with pilots, ground crew and mechanics.

It's not like buying a car for a friend and surprising them with it on their birthday...
 
Who's refusing aircraft to Ukraine?
No one, now. But what the West is doing now, commencing F-16 training and procuring/preparing such aircraft for Ukrainian service after another 12-16 months, is what we could have started a year ago.

If Storm Shadows, HIMARs, Leopard 2s and now Vipers, ATACAMS, Abrams and cluster munitions are deemed worthy for Ukraine in July 2023, they were worthy in July 2022 and plans for their eventual deployment should have been underway then. Our dithering is costing Ukrainian lives and giving respite to the Russians.
As it is, the AFU of autumn 2024 is what the AFU could have been in autumn 2023.
 
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Forgive my belaboring the obvious, but if this war lasts "forever" it will sink any Russian government making it thus. Is he really so stupid that he's threatening the West that Russia will climb into a quagmire?

This is all bluster.
The demise of the Soviet Union was brought about by unsustainable defense spending. They tried to keep up with the US and failed.

A dear old friend of my father's from business came for dinner once some time in the late '60's or early'70's. I remember he postulated that the way to deal with the Soviet Union was to bomb it with Sears-Roebuck catalogues. How prescient he was!

Jim
 
No one, now. But what the West is doing now, commencing F-16 training and procuring/preparing such aircraft for Ukrainian service after another 12-16 months, is what we could have started a year ago.

If Storm Shadows, HIMARs, Leopard 2s and now Vipers, ATACAMS, Abrams and cluster munitions are deemed worthy for Ukraine in July 2023, they were worthy in July 2022 and plans for their eventual deployment should have been underway then. Our dithering is costing Ukrainian lives and giving respite to the Russians.
From what I've seen, the Russians have not had any rest since they started this fiasco a year ago - the only Russians that ha e been offered a respit, are either POWs or fertilizing Ukrainian soil.

As for a year ago, I recall the general consensus being that little Ukraine wouldn't last long against mighty Russia.

And it took a while before everyone realized that: A) Ukraine would not go quietly into the night, and B) Russia (while being a formidible foe) was to a large degree, a paper tiger.

When dealing with a Government, nothing moves quickly (except demands for late taxes due) and when it involves several Governmens working to get on the same page, even longer.

The supply of arms and ammunition is gaining momentum, the numbers of Ukraine ground forces being trained is growing with each new batch.

In WWII, how long did it take the Allies to ramp up supplies to the Soviet Union and just how long did it take for the Soviets to defeat Germany?

If memory serves right, piles of P-39s, Shermans and Hurricanes did not just magically appear on Stalin's doorstep the next morning...
 
In WWII, how long did it take the Allies to ramp up supplies to the Soviet Union and just how long did it take for the Soviets to defeat Germany? If memory serves right, piles of P-39s, Shermans and Hurricanes did not just magically appear on Stalin's doorstep the next morning...
The better comparison is to ask how long it took a non-combatant, neutral USA to begin sending arms to Britain against Nazi Germany. We're now nearly seventeen months since Russia invaded Ukraine. By Feb 1941, seventeen months after Germany's invasion of Poland, the USA was all in with material support for Britain, providing combat aircraft, warships, tanks, etc. That's the level of US and NATO commitment that Ukraine needs now, or more accurately, needed twelve months ago. Hitler demonstrated the folly of waiting.
As for a year ago, I recall the general consensus being that little Ukraine wouldn't last long against mighty Russia.
That was the opinion of some in Feb 2022, but by July 2022 it was clear that Russia had overstepped and that the Ukrainians were both in for the fight and if equipped, up to the task. Heck, by April 2022, just forty days into the invasion the Russians had entirely withdrawn from the Kyiv region with their tails between their legs. And besides, what possible downside was there to beginning Viper training in July 2022? If Ukraine falls, you've misspent some tax dollars on simulators and trainers. No actual aircraft would have been given to Ukraine until about now.

But there's no going back, so let's go forward. Ask Zelenskyy what he needs, and give it all to him asap, with no political delays.
 
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I believe that in Feb 1941, the US was all in for the UK with Tanks, Guns, Ammo, aircraft etc as long as paid for by Gold............Lend Lease was still another month away iirc. I don't have details etc, but the contracts that were still running when lend lease became active where still paid for with said gold, and uncertain if those items on British contact taken over by the US when needed where paid back...... very messy time thats for certain.

Buz
 
Yes - hundreds of P-40s destined for the RAF ended up in the Russia, the USAAF, RAAF, RNZAF and other places. The total diverted may have even passed 1,000. Then add all the other aircraft and other weapons and ships that the Brits paid for and were diverted to Russia etc.

I suspect that the weapons going to Russia happened within days of Hitler attacking Russia. I do not know when that was but I do know that many Brit P-40s were diverted to Russia before Pearl Harbor.
 
Yes - hundreds of P-40s destined for the RAF ended up in the Russia, the USAAF, RAAF, RNZAF and other places. T
Not just US stuff. A lot of the aircraft, tanks, artillery and equipment produced by the British Empire ended up in Russia instead of being used by the British forces. How's that gratitude for you? Back on topic, can Ukraine successfully launch a major counteroffensive without air power?
 

KYIV, July 4 (Reuters) - A Ukrainian counteroffensive against Russian forces has been "particularly fruitful" in the past few days and Ukraine's troops are fulfilling their main tasks, a senior security official said on Tuesday.

The comments by Oleksiy Danilov, Secretary of Ukraine's National Security and Defence Council, were Kyiv's latest positive assessment of the month-old counterattack although Moscow has not acknowledged Ukraine's gains.

Russia, which began its full-scale invasion in February 2022, still holds swathes of territory in eastern and southern Ukraine but Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said on Monday his troops had made progress after a "difficult" week.

"At this stage of active hostilities, Ukraine's Defense Forces are fulfilling the number one task – the maximum destruction of manpower, equipment, fuel depots, military vehicles, command posts, artillery and air defense forces of the russian army," Oleksiy Danilov, the head of Ukraine's National Security and Defence Council, wrote on Twitter.

"The last few days have been particularly fruitful," he said, without providing any details from the battlefield.

Valeriy Shershen, spokesperson for the Tavria, or southern, military command, said Ukrainian troops had advanced by up to two km (1.2 miles) in the Berdiansk direction of southern Ukraine, despite fierce Russian resistance.


 
From what I've seen, the Russians have not had any rest since they started this fiasco a year ago - the only Russians that ha e been offered a respit, are either POWs or fertilizing Ukrainian soil.
The Russians are being sufficiently left alone with free time to build defensive works across Ukraine. And are now apparently preparing an attack of their own.


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