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Dimlee said:
The Kuban region, another basket, was de facto Ukrainian until the Soviet collectivisation, purges and forced migrations. Old maps show that the Ukrainian ("Malorossian" in pre-1917 terms) language dominated the region.
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Not all Kuban Cossacks had Ukrainian roots. The Black Sea Cossacks were resettled from Ukraine to Kuban at the end of the 18th century, in addition to the Caucasian Linear Cossacks (mostly Volga Cossacks), and there were also locals. Kuban cannot be called a "Ukrainian region", although the Ukrainian language was indeed preserved there for a long time, and even now the Kuban dialect is relatively easy to recognize.
 
Dimlee said:
It was official data that didn't include Ukrainians who changed their identity to Russian in the papers in the 1930s after the famine, collectivisation and purges. The common phenomenon in the Soviet era: families changed their surnames to sound as Russian. For example, changing the typical ending "-ko", to Russian "-ov".
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Are there any known quantitative estimates of the scale of this phenomenon? I'm just curious.
 
One SU-35 was downed today, probably by F-16 in the Kursk region. Maybe a cooperation between their now-operational Saab 340 AEW&C using active sensors and a passive/silent F-16 operating as missile carrier? Pilot survived though.
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Attached: 1 video The Armed Forces have released footage showing the Russian Su-35 fighter jet burning after being shot down this morning.
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Ukrainian Forces shoot down Russian Su-35 fighter jet

Ukrainian Air Force units have shot down a Russian Su-35 fighter jet during a mission near the Kursk direction early Saturday morning, June 7, according to the official military report from Kyiv. In a brief statement, the Air Force confirmed, “A Su-35 multirole fighter was downed as part of an...
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bf109xxl said:
Not all Kuban Cossacks had Ukrainian roots. The Black Sea Cossacks were resettled from Ukraine to Kuban at the end of the 18th century, in addition to the Caucasian Linear Cossacks (mostly Volga Cossacks), and there were also locals. Kuban cannot be called a "Ukrainian region", although the Ukrainian language was indeed preserved there for a long time, and even now the Kuban dialect is relatively easy to recognize.
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The Cossacks were of different roots, indeed, but they didn't represent the majority.
The main language in Kuban before WWI was Ukrainian (or Malorussky, Malorossian in old terms).
Map in 1914:

The demographic situation was fluid after the annexation of the Caucasus, and the Russian (Velikorussky) language was more popular in the late 19th century in some parts of Kuban. Ukrainian became more dominant after industrialisation and reforms, and the mass migration of Ukrainian farmers and peasants to "new lands". Then it began to diminish rapidly and almost disappeared in the USSR.

As for the "locals",... It is a vague definition considering the violent history of the area. I would say that real locals who lived there before the XVIII century were wiped out, exiled or assimilated. As in many other parts of the Empire.

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By "Kuban" I mean "Kubanskaya Oblast" as it was in 1917. Not present Krasnodarsky Krai.

Another good map of languages and religions. All Russian Empire in 1897.
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Інтерактивна карта рідних мов та віросповідань населення повітів Російської імперії за переписом 1897 року.
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bf109xxl said:
Are there any known quantitative estimates of the scale of this phenomenon? I'm just curious.
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I'm afraid that we will never know. Unless someone attempts a serious study. But such a study can not be complete without the polling of the population of the Russian Federation, and I don't think we can expect unbiased answers today.
Until that time, we stick with the "anecdotal evidence". I've got plenty of that among the relatives of my wife and other connections. Not just in Ukraine, but also in the Russian Federation, up to the Kaliningrad region and the Far East.
By the way, it happened with Poles as well. In the 1980s, I had a colleague, Korzhenev, "Russian" according to his passport. When Glasnost-Perestroika became real, he told me that his grandfather's surname was Korzheniowski. As a big fan of Joseph Conrad, I still wonder if that family relates to the great writer.
 
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