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Dimlee said:
I'm afraid that we will never know. Unless someone attempts a serious study. But such a study can not be complete without the polling of the population of the Russian Federation, and I don't think we can expect unbiased answers today.
Until that time, we stick with the "anecdotal evidence". I've got plenty of that among the relatives of my wife and other connections. Not just in Ukraine, but also in the Russian Federation, up to the Kaliningrad region and the Far East.
By the way, it happened with Poles as well. In the 1980s, I had a colleague, Korzhenev, "Russian" according to his passport. When Glasnost-Perestroika became real, he told me that his grandfather's surname was Korzheniowski. As a big fan of Joseph Conrad, I still wonder if that family relates to the great writer.
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It's unlikely that anyone could be fooled by changing the suffix - Ukrainian surnames were easily recognized anyway. The reason for changing a Polish surname is unclear. In the Russian Empire, loyal Poles held high positions, under the Soviets too - Dzerzhinsky, Krzhizhanovsky, Worowsky, Menzhinsky....
A significant part of Belarusians had surnames ending with -sky.
 
Dimlee said:
The Cossacks were of different roots, indeed, but they didn't represent the majority.
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When the Black Sea Cossacks were united with the Caucasian Linear Cossacks in 1860, the former were 176 thousand, while the latter were 280 thousand. The Black Sea Cossacks dominated on the lower Kuban, while the Caucasian Cossacks dominated on the upper Kuban.
Dimlee said:
The demographic situation was fluid after the annexation of the Caucasus, and the Russian (Velikorussky) language was more popular in the late 19th century in some parts of Kuban. Ukrainian became more dominant after industrialisation and reforms, and the mass migration of Ukrainian farmers and peasants to "new lands". Then it began to diminish rapidly and almost disappeared in the USSR.
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Thus, the Ukrainian-speaking population of the Kuban region grew not at the expense of Cossacks, but at the expense of peasant settlers.
Dimlee said:
As for the "locals",... It is a vague definition considering the violent history of the area. I would say that real locals who lived there before the XVIII century were wiped out, exiled or assimilated. As in many other parts of the Empire.
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By "local population" I meant non-Cossacks - after the genocide of the natives by the Russians there were only 3-4% of them left.
 
Dimlee said:
I'm afraid that we will never know. Unless someone attempts a serious study. But such a study can not be complete without the polling of the population of the Russian Federation, and I don't think we can expect unbiased answers today.
Until that time, we stick with the "anecdotal evidence". I've got plenty of that among the relatives of my wife and other connections. Not just in Ukraine, but also in the Russian Federation, up to the Kaliningrad region and the Far East.
By the way, it happened with Poles as well. In the 1980s, I had a colleague, Korzhenev, "Russian" according to his passport. When Glasnost-Perestroika became real, he told me that his grandfather's surname was Korzheniowski. As a big fan of Joseph Conrad, I still wonder if that family relates to the great writer.
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It is unlikely that anyone could be fooled by changing the suffix - Ukrainian surnames were easily recognized anyway. The reason for changing a Polish surname is unclear. In the Russian Empire loyal Poles occupied high positions, under the Soviets too - Dzerzhinsky, Krzhizhanovsky, Vorovsky (Worowsky), Menzhinsky....
A significant part of Belarusians had surnames ending in -sky.
 
GTX said:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W3VjSMJnD4
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Interesting follow up to Preston Stewart's video about the train strike.
I was disappointed that a train wasn't struck. Then, something was hit. Suchomimus's analysis does cover a few bases. Perhaps Spider's Web 2.0 may have been the Ukrainian version of a different strike launched from Shangri-La? A bit of subterfuge to provide cover for the actual agent or agents?
 
bf109xxl said:
It is unlikely that anyone could be fooled by changing the suffix - Ukrainian surnames were easily recognized anyway. The reason for changing a Polish surname is unclear. In the Russian Empire loyal Poles occupied high positions, under the Soviets too - Dzerzhinsky, Krzhizhanovsky, Vorovsky (Worowsky), Menzhinsky....
A significant part of Belarusians had surnames ending in -sky.
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Many surnames in Russian and Ukrainian differ only by the ending. Others by something else, 2,3,4 letters or so.
Yes, it fooled many. Including descendants who discovered their origin in the post Soviet period only.

I can't say much about Poles, you should know better. Just to note that while some Poles occupied high positions, indeed, other Poles were exiled or worse.
Same with many other nationalities in the USSR.
Some Estonians were killed or exiled (and yes, often changed the surnames of their kids, I met such families in Primorye), others didn't bother due to their status.
Amet-khan Sultan was a member of the Soviet "elite". You probably know what happened to his nation of Qirimlilar (Crimean Tatars) in 1944. And, again, many of Qirimli also changed surnames, either to sound Russian or to blend in with Central Asian nations.
 
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