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Denniss said:
reminds me of summer 1944 and the allied fuel bombing campaign.
situation is different though as many targets are far away. Ukraine needs to lokk what has more effect - attack refineries and other processing facilities or try to stop the flow of crude oil and naturals gas flowing through pipelines so they won't reach processing facilities
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With proper American aid they could do both.
 
SaparotRob said:
With proper American aid they could do both.
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Refineries are nodes. Attacking them should be more efficient, no? I think that would be easier than attacking bridges or marshaling yards, though the latter are more vulnerable and tempting. I'd still prefer attacking their production. If it is not distilled, it cannot be shipped no matter how intact your rail system is.
 
Thumpalumpacus said:
Refineries are nodes. Attacking them should be more efficient, no? I think that would be easier than attacking bridges or marshaling yards, though the latter are more vulnerable and tempting. I'd still prefer attacking their production. If it is not distilled, it cannot be shipped no matter how intact your rail system is.
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If we look back to WWII, the most effective bombing offensive against Axis targets was fuel production and transport infrastructure.

In the case of Germany, railroad depots, marshalling yards and bridges were a constant target. Yes, the rails (in most cases) could be repaired fairly quick, but the damage to stock (like supplies, tanks, aircraft, etc.) was a write off.
 
GrauGeist said:
... Yes, the rails (in most cases) could be repaired fairly quick, but the damage to stock (like supplies, tanks, aircraft, etc.) was a write off.
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Ya' know, if ya' punch enough holes in the line and if enough places, it does slow the repairs down a bit. 'Specially if one of those holes is punched through some railway maintenance machinery.
 
GTX said:
www.abc.net.au

Ukraine is not just about a Putin power grab but an eventual European war

Trump's confirmation this week that any security guarantees would not involve any US troops on the ground was just one of the sorts of noises that would be music to Putin's ears.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
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There is a lot of truth in this article but we all know one thing, Trump will try to take all the credit.

An interesting point is that Scott Bessent admitted that anything the USA currently sells to Europe for Ukraine has an additional 10% mark up added to the cost at the direction of Trump.

I admit that this is a new definition of the phrase 'Aid' and proves he doesn't care how he makes money
 
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