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[GrauGeist]

Not really an option for intercepting ballistic missiles which is where the Patriots are primarily used now.

Use the Phalanx for everything but the ballistic/hypersonic missiles - this would ease the workload of the Patriot batteries.

 

[Gilder]

Use the Phalanx for everything but the ballistic/hypersonic missiles - this would ease the workload of the Patriot batteries.

As a point defence system for high value targets they take a lot of beating.

 

[ThomasP]

Cheesebox forever !!

"Ukraine's M113-Inspired Armored Personnel Carrier In Testing"

 

[swampyankee]

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Given this means the US suppliers do not give a #$%^& about how many civilians in Ukraine and the Gulf states die because they refuse to scale production I think Ukraine should disassemble a Patriot and start producing low cost analogs ASAP or sooner.

When do corporations care about anything except profits?

 

[SaparotRob]

Cheesebox forever !!

"Ukraine's M113-Inspired Armored Personnel Carrier In Testing"

And you all laughed when I suggested sending them to Ukraine 4 years ago. I will never let this go.

 

[Retattack]

The Atlantic is just one of many sites with that story and the US refusal to allow Ukraine to build Patriots is confirmed by official sources.

Even 600 Patriots a year is grossly inadequate given the number used in Iran (over four times that in just four months) so the number available to non US customers will likely be negligible for several years at least.

Freya may be the answer and if so the Patriot will become a US only weapon mainly for cost reasons but also for availability reasons.

Many EU nations will also get Freya when it works as it is built locally thus creating local employment and taxes.

I think the current Freya time line is very optimistic but it will still be available long before the US releases more Patriot missiles to European customers.

Then again Ukraine has a good habit of predicting long and delivering early with notable exception being the Flamingo.

Every site I've seen with that story quotes the Atlantic. Would love to see independent confirmation. As to "refusal to allow," it's early days yet. Stories from actual named DOD(W?) officials suggest they're still looking at it:

"We're evaluating a set of COAs [courses of action] right now, which include a mix of domestic and international sourcing for end units, where they're going to be located, how we're going to build it, [and] which variant," said Michael Cadenazzi, the assistant secretary of defense for industrial policy.

Given that Japan (with a robust aerospace and actual space program) took three years to begin Patriot production after licensing, it doesn't look like a simple process. I'm surprised nobody is talking about just increasing output from the German production line.

And yes, 600 is grossly inadequate, and yet the size of that deal exceeds the entire defense budget of every country in Europe except for Germany and France (and basically ties France's), so the likelihood of it getting much better soon is not great.

 

[Retattack]

Maybe so. But the full-scale construction of such a defence has not been attempted yet, except in Israel.

Israel is a tiny county, the population is concentrated in an even smaller area, they had detachments of THAAD and destroyers with SM-3/6 offshore assisting their multi-layer defense, and they still had BMs leaking from relatively modest Iranian salvos. Reports suggest they fired about a year's worth of SM-6 production, and two years' of THAAD.

Ukraine is ~30 times the size defending against missile salvos from an adjacent country with ~15x Iran's defense budget. I'm not sure how the vulnerability math works, but it's fairly obviously not feasible with today's, or even projected, missile interceptor inventories.

 

[GTX]

Use the Phalanx for everything but the ballistic/hypersonic missiles - this would ease the workload of the Patriot batteries.

That would actually be a big backwards step. Ukraine is using a combination of manned aircraft (fighters and others - videos etc of this already posted), SAMs other than Patriot (e.g. NASAMS, IRIS-T SLM, Raven etc), Interceptor drones, SPAAGs, Fixed emplacement guns (the latter two are largely filling the same role as Phalanx would), naming etc. Patriots are pretty much used only for ballistic missiles already. The problem isn't that Patriots are being used to take out something like Shahed/Geran drones. It's that they Russians are using more ballistic missiles and the Patriot stocks have been consumed.

 

[GTX]

As a point defence system for high value targets they take a lot of beating.

They're not capable of dealing with a ballistic missile with a typical terminal velocity between Mach 6 and Mach 12.

 

[GTX]

Given that Japan (with a robust aerospace and actual space program) took three years to begin Patriot production after licensing, it doesn't look like a simple process.

I'd amazing how much incoming missiles and a existential threat your existence focusses the mind and actions...

 

[GTX]

Ukraine is ~30 times the size defending against missile salvos from an adjacent country with ~15x Iran's defense budget. I'm not sure how the vulnerability math works, but it's fairly obviously not feasible with today's, or even projected, missile interceptor inventories.

It isn't quite accurate to use land mass as the basis for comparison here since Ukraine isn't trying to defend every square cm of the land mass. It is more on key cities and other important areas.

 

[GTX]

Ukraine dismantles Russian spy ring targeting F-16 bases

Ukraine's Security Service dismantled a Russian military intelligence spy network of 14 people who had been photographing Ukrainian airbases housing F-16 and Mirage 2000 fighter jets, the agency said. The network operated across several Ukrainian regions and fed Russia's military

defence-blog.com

 

[GTX]

Poland weighs new Patriot missile transfer to Ukraine

Poland is considering transferring another batch of Patriot missiles to Ukraine, with a decision expected within days, Polish Deputy Defense Minister Magdalena Sobkowiak-Czarnecka said on RMF FM, European Pravda reported. Sobkowiak-Czarnecka said any decision on transferring the weapons must be

defence-blog.com

 

[GTX]

Ukraine says it hit four Russian warships in Novorossiysk

Ukraine's General Staff said Ukrainian forces struck the Russian naval base at Novorossiysk overnight on August 12, 2026, damaging four Russian warships in what it described as a joint operation by Ukraine's Defense Forces. The General Staff identified the damaged

defence-blog.com

 

[GTX]

Ukrainian defector to Russia killed in bomb attack, Kyiv targets oil refinery

Russian sources claim Robert Shageyev, a former Ukrainian naval officer who defected to Russia in 2014, has been killed.

www.abc.net.au

 

[GTX]

‘Much faster than originally planned’: Ukraine warns of Russian rival to Musk’s Starlink

Russia’s Starlink copycat is heading to orbit ahead of schedule, and that’s a problem for Ukraine.

www.politico.eu

 

[GTX]

Ukraine’s new ballistic missile puts Putin within reach

Kyiv is developing its own domestic ballistics as Russia’s missile threat grows.

www.politico.eu

 

[GTX]

Ukraine's farmers despair as Russia's Black Sea blockade traps their harvest

 

[GTX]

Satellite images confirm damage to two Russian missile frigates

New satellite imagery released by Vantor on August 12 shows visible fire damage on two Russian frigates at the Kalibr cruise missile launchers, the clearest independent look yet at the aftermath of Ukraine's overnight strike on the naval base at

defence-blog.com

 

[GTX]

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