Alternative German Fighters: Me-209, Me-309, He-100, etc.

the lancaster kicks ass · Mar 24, 2005

thought you might like that one............

DerAdlerIstGelandet · Mar 24, 2005

pasoleati said:
Well, with the introduction of jets the costs started skyrocketing. This means that the chances of small nations in combat have diminished hugely as e.g. nation´s citizens soldierly qualities are less important. I.e. Finland survived 105 days against overwhelming odds during the Winter War. In jet era that would be impossible.

Sounds to me like Finland needs to modernize there military then.

pasoleati said:
What is more, jets personify bottomless greed. As jets are best suited for high speeds, they favour current social atmosphere in which everything must be done faster, faster and faster. Jets also favor higher altitude flying, thus the harmful emissions are released where they hurt the atmosphere far more seriously. Jets have also reduced foreign travel to quick boozing hops for the ignorant masses resulting in holidays after which the people complain "what a busy holiday, huh." Next time you hear how another company closes off and moves to China to make a few bucks more, understand that this is what jets personify. As for the efficiency of jets, which one is more efficient: a jet flying at Mach 0.9 at 33,000 ft or or a steam ship doing 12 knots at sea? I.e. which consumes more resources per passenger/cargo ton per kilometre? Jets are "efficient" only at high speeds but those very high speeds itself are wholly inefficient. I wish all civilian aircraft cruising at over 300 kts are banned as Molochians stealing the ever diminishing resources.

Sounds to me like you dont want to live in the future, in the United States they are called Amish or Pennsylvania Dutch and they still drive around horse drawn carts and dont use electricity or TV or anything. They have never been in a plane. Maybe you should check them out.

delcyros · Mar 25, 2005

I like the finnish very much, but jets are quite cool. So there is no need for that development? No need for rocketry? Ohh, Jumala!
By the way... replace Me-262 HG III with HG II (it was build, no project)...

CharlesBronson · Mar 25, 2005

In the Luft46 site there is some nice art about the Me-262 HG

Really beatiful.

http://www.luft46.com/dsart/lufartds.html

the lancaster kicks ass · Mar 26, 2005

nice shots..........

Gnomey · Mar 26, 2005

some nice shots there!

CharlesBronson · Mar 26, 2005

The definitive version of the Heinkel He-100, the D-1 serie. This serie finally throw away the evaporation sistem and used a retractable radiator instead.

This little aircraft ( 9,42 wingspan) was 50 km/h faster than Bf-109F2, it had 250 Km more range, the same armament of F-0 and F-1 (2x 7,9+1 MG-FF) and was available.... a year and a half earlier.

Some prototipes was sold to Russia, ans it could be the inspiration for the early v-12 soviet fighters, perversely the Lagg-3 had exactly the same wingspan ( coincidence?)

CharlesBronson · Mar 28, 2005

Technical description:

HE-100D-1

ENGINE:
Model: Daimler-Benz DB 601N
Type: Inverted-vee-12 liquid-cooled
Number: One Horsepower: At take off 1200 hp at 4000 meters 1,175 hp

DIMENSIONS:
Span: 30 ft. 10¾ in. (9.41m)
Length: 26 ft. 10¾ in. (8.195m)
Height: 11 ft. 9¾ in. (3.60m)

WEIGHTS:
Empty: 1810kg (3,990 lbs.)
Maximum Loaded: 2500kg (5,512 lbs.)

PERFORMANCE:
Maximum speed: 670km/h (416mph)
Service Ceiling: 11,000m (36,090ft)
Range: 900km (559 Miles) at 450 Km/h

Only 12 aircraft were completed in late 1939.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · Mar 28, 2005

You know what is funny about that He-100 there. I have an actuall picture of it from the Heinkel factory and it is labeled by them as a He-113. Here it is.

CharlesBronson · Mar 29, 2005

This was the intended denomination for the He-100 until Ernst Heinkel make change it, for supersticion or another reason, wich I dont know.

Another denomination I have seen is He-112U, wich I think refers to Udet.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · Mar 30, 2005

Actually I heard it had something to do with Allied intelligence and Goebbles had it advertised as the He-113 and mass produced to full them.

However, in 1940, Goebbels publicised the He 100 to the extent that British intelligence reported the He 100 in large scale service as the He 113.
http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/he100.html

Concorde247 · Mar 31, 2005

DerAdlerIstGelandet said:
You know what is funny about that He-100 there. I have an actuall picture of it from the Heinkel factory and it is labeled by them as a He-113. Here it is.

I've seen that pic description before too only it was said that it was changed to 113 fo propaganda / secrecy reasons.

the lancaster kicks ass · Apr 1, 2005

anyone got pics of the He-70?? i saw a model of it yesterday an it looks cool.......

CharlesBronson · Apr 1, 2005

Link to pictures.

http://www.luftarchiv.de/flugzeuge/heinkel/he70.htm

This craft saw little service with Luftwaffe.

the lancaster kicks ass · Apr 2, 2005

but what a beauty of a plane, and thanks for the link...........

DerAdlerIstGelandet · Apr 2, 2005

Concorde247 said:
DerAdlerIstGelandet said:

You know what is funny about that He-100 there. I have an actuall picture of it from the Heinkel factory and it is labeled by them as a He-113. Here it is.

Click to expand...

I've seen that pic description before too only it was said that it was changed to 113 fo propaganda / secrecy reasons.

Yeah that is what I have always heard.

And here is some pics of the He-70

the lancaster kicks ass · Apr 2, 2005

again thanks, any basic info??

DerAdlerIstGelandet · Apr 2, 2005

Heinkel He-70

Type: Reconnaissance bomber.
Origin:
He 70 He 270: Ernst Heinkel AG
He 170: Manfred Weiss Flugzeug und
Motorenfabrik, Budapest
Models: He 70, He 170, He 270
Crew: Three
First Flight: December 1, 1932
Service Delivery: 1934
Final Delivery: N/A
Number Produced:
He 70: 280 He 170: N/A He 270: 1

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Engine:
He 70F:
Model: BMW VI 7.3
Type: 12-Cylinder water cooled vee
Number: One Horsepower: 750 hp

He 170:
Model: WM-K-14 (Licenced built GR 14K Mistral Major)
Type: 14-Cylinder radial
Number: One Horsepower: 910 hp

He 270:
Model: Daimler-Benz DB 601Aa
Type: 12-Cylinder water cooled inverted vee
Number: One Horsepower: 1,175 hp
Dimensions:
Wing span: 48 ft. 6.75 in. (14.80m)
Length: 39 ft. 4.5 in. (12.00m)
Height: 10 ft. 2 in. (3.10m)
Wing Surface Area: N/A

Weights:
Empty:
He 70F-2: 5,203 lb. (2360 kg)
Loaded:
Recce configuration: 7,465 lb. (3386 kg)
Bomber configuration: 7,630 lb. (3460 kg)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Performance:
Maximum Speed: 224 mph (360 kph)
Initial Climb: N/A
Service Ceiling (Typical): N/A
Range on Internal Fuel: 559 miles (900 km)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Armament: He 70F-2
One 7.92mm MG 15 machine gun aimed from rear cockpit

Payload:
Six 110 lb. (50 kg) or twenty four 22 lb. (10 kg) bombs internally

Avionics: N/A

the lancaster kicks ass · Apr 2, 2005

wow cheers.........

DerAdlerIstGelandet · Apr 2, 2005

If you go to this website you can find some interesting info on Luftwaffe aircraft:

http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/

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