Azerbaijan Airlines plane crashes in Kazakhstan (1 Viewer)

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Azerbaijan Airlines plane crashes in Kazakhstan

Apparently it was over Russian air space when it declared an emergency and diverted to an airport in Kazakhstan and crashed on landing.

Miraculously apparently 32 people survived.

Evidence on the ground to me looks like another shoot-down. It looks eerily like the type of damage found on the Malaysian Air 777 that was shot down by the Russians over Ukraine. Hmmm…

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/passenger-plane-crashes-kazakhstan-emergencies-ministry-says-2024-12-25/

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

View: https://m.youtube.com/shorts/LtOCDqHGXks

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Looks eerily familiar huh? This was found in the vertical tail. Like shrapnel damage found on the Malaysian air 777.

 

[z42]

News over here says that per the airline it was a bird strike.

That's some peculiar bird strike marks in the above picture..

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

News over here says that per the airline it was a bird strike.

That's some peculiar bird strike marks in the above picture..

Bird strikes don't make shrapnel damage…

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

For context, here is some damage from the Ukraine shootdown.

Of course it's just speculation. Technically the punctures in the Azerbaijan Air crash could be made from engine parts from an uncontained engine failure, but its certainly interesting the type of damage and coincidence. The pic of the damage from
The Azerbaijan crash is from the Vertical Tail. You would not get engine parts there. Something exploded and peppered the aircraft.

We'll wait for the final report.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

If I'm a betting man, I'm going with shootdown.

Euronews can reveal that official sources linked to the crash investigation said that while nearing Groznyy, the flight's destination, surviving passengers heard an explosion followed by what looked like shrapnel hitting the plane, and entering the fuselage.

Air missile accident emerges as probable cause of crash tragedy

According to Azerbaijan Airlines, 37 passengers were Azerbaijani citizens. There were also 16 Russian nationals, six Kazakhstani and three Kyrgyzstani citizens.

www.euronews.com

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

"Accidentally, riiiigggghhhht…"

Azerbaijan Airlines crash sparks speculation plane ‘accidentally shot down by Russia’

An Azerbaijan Airlines plane crash on Christmas Day has prompted speculation the plane was shot down by Russia after it took a detour of hundreds of miles in the wrong direction and crash-landed with holes in the fuselage.

www.yahoo.com

 

[MiTasol]

Well that will certainly not improve relations between Azerbaijan and Russia will it. That would not be a bad thing for Ukraine.

 

[special ed]

The apparent shrapnel holes seem to have entered at right angles to the surface while engine parts would have elongated entry holes as do gun damage.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

The apparent shrapnel holes seem to have entered at right angles to the surface while engine parts would have elongated entry holes as do gun damage.

These are 100% not from engine fragments. These entered into the vertical stab. Far from the engines.

I think we all know what caused this.

 

[ThomasP]

It may just be the angle, but I slowed the video and I could not see more than one engine pod.

 

[MiTasol]

this video shows the far engine is still attached - it can be partially seen above the fuselage for a short time at 13 seconds.

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[ThomasP]

That is a much clearer video.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

It doesn't look like a shootdown to me. There's no debris showing nor sign of fire, and the undercarriage can be seen extending, as well as the plane leveling out before impact -- that implies hydraulics are still working. The plane looks fairly intact, and though shrapnel can kill a jetliner, there's no telltale fluid or other trail.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtOCDqHGXks&t=59s

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

It doesn't look like a shootdown to me. There's no debris showing nor sign of fire, and the undercarriage can be seen extending, as well as the plane leveling out before impact -- that implies hydraulics are still working. The plane looks fairly intact, and though shrapnel can kill a jetliner, there's no telltale fluid or other trail.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtOCDqHGXks&t=59s

The shoot down occurred further away. The pilot turned the plane around and diverted to an airport. Therefore you won't have a debris trail. You won't necessarily see fire. Most SAMs are proximity fuses. The missile explodes before contact and shrapnel is blown into the aircraft. How do you know there was no hydraulic loss at a previous point. Remember the emergency occurred before this point. This is the airport the pilot diverted to.

Also…

Survivors described "heard an explosion followed by what looked like shrapnel hitting the plane, and entering the fuselage."

Also ask yourself…

What would cause shrapnel damage like that to the vertical tail surface?

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Azerbaijani government sources have exclusively confirmed to Euronews on Thursday that a Russian surface-to-air missile caused the Azerbaijan Airlines plane crash in Aktau on Wednesday.

According to the sources, the missile was fired at Flight 8432 during drone air activity above Grozny, and the shrapnel hit the passengers and cabin crew as it exploded next to the aircraft mid-flight.

Government sources have told Euronews that the damaged aircraft was not allowed to land at any Russian airports despite the pilots' requests for an emergency landing, and it was ordered to fly across the Caspian Sea towards Aktau in Kazakhstan.

Exclusive: Russian missile caused Aktau crash, investigation confirms

38 passengers were killed on Wednesday after Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8432 crashed as it attempted to make an emergency landing near the city of Aktau in Kazakhstan.

www.euronews.com

Russia being blamed for Azerbaijan Airlines plane that crashed hundreds of miles off course, killing dozens | Fox News

Azerbaijan Airlines Flight J2-8243 crashed shortly after drone strikes hit southern Russia

www.foxnews.com

 

[ThomasP]

Sounds like the Russians were maybe hoping Flight 8432 would go down in the Caspian? No examination of the wreckage, no foul.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

The shoot down occurred further away. The pilot turned the plane around and diverted to an airport. Therefore you won't have a debris trail. You won't necessarily see fire. Most SAMs are proximity fuses. The missile explodes before contact and shrapnel is blown into the aircraft.

Yeah, I know this stuff.

How do you know there was no hydraulic loss at a previous point.

At 00:13 in the video I posted, you can see the gear extending.

Remember the emergency occurred before this point. This is the airport the pilot diverted to.

Also…

Survivors described "heard an explosion followed by what looked like shrapnel hitting the plane, and entering the fuselage."

That is the most important evidence thus far.

Also ask yourself…

What would cause shrapnel damage like that to the vertical tail surface?

Shrapnel.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Yeah, I know this stuff.



At 00:13 in the video I posted, you can see the gear extending.



That is the most important evidence thus far.



Shrapnel.

Gear does not require hydraulics to be extended.

I used to do emergency extension tests all the time on aircraft jacked up on the hangar floor.