Besides the props, what are the diferences between the P-39 and P-63?

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A great book is "Vee's For Victory". A definitive history on the development of the Allison engine
 
NACA devoted a lot of effort to improving the Allison induction system. See the attached papers, one of which shows an experimental aftercooler.
 

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Thanks for the pdfs.
Unfortunately, NACA tried to improve supercharger system on the V-1710 too late - post-war.
 
NACA devoted a lot of effort to improving the Allison induction system. See the attached papers, one of which shows an experimental aftercooler.
Fantastic information. The Allison Induction paper showed an aftercooler mounted on top of the induction manifold. Since the V-1710-93 was a P-63 engine, I wonder if the aftercooler would have fit underneath the P-63 rear canopy? Also, would the backfire screens (eliminated from V-1710s in mid '42 with the introduction of the aluminum induction manifold) be eliminated in a production model? Maybe another 10HP added to the 25HP increase with the backfire screens?

I'm pretty sure I have seen photos of Wright radials (I think an R-3350 for the B-29) with parabolic inlet guide vanes, did Wright have this before Allison?

Great stuff. Wonder why the NACA inlet elbow/interstage duct couldn't have been implemented on the production -93. Looks like at least a 25HP increase from just the elbow/duct which should have been easy to implement. And moving the carb from the auxiliary stage to the engine stage would have improved manifold pressure a couple of inches of mercury.
 
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Unfortunately, NACA tried to improve supercharger system on the V-1710 too late - post-war.
When was the final improvements made?

When did the engine finally get the liquid cooled intercooler to finally work? This isn't about the P-63 but the XP-40Q and F-82 in general
 
When was the final improvements made?

When did the engine finally get the liquid cooled intercooler to finally work? This isn't about the P-63 but the XP-40Q and F-82 in general
The liquid cooled intercooler never worked properly and wasn't used in production planes. Without the intercooler in the way the carbueretor was moved from the auxiliary stage to the normal position on the engine stage supercharger resulting in a little more manifold pressure. This was late in the war and used on the experimantal P-40Q. A better arrangement that in hindsight should have been used on all the V-1710s with the mechanical second stage. Water injection provided cooling for war emergency power. Not sure about the F-82.
 
The P-82B, reduced to F-82 performance via piddly Allison engine was still the Only game in town to escort B-29 and then B-36 to Moscow for nuclear mission. It was the only viable long range Night Fighter interceptor in comparison with the P-61.

In closing, it was amusing to trace the long trail (documented) of abysmal delivery and support issues by Allison to NAA for the NA-73X, NA-73, NA-83, NA-91, NA97, NA-99 with Kindelberger desperately trying to 'escape' Allison, beginning in fall 1941 and finally reaching conclusion in May 1942 when XP-78 was approved to proceed and AAF allocated the first two post test 1650-3 to NAA in July 1942.

PD studies began in July 1941 for Continental, then two stage Allison, Packard Merlin and Griffon by mid 1942. The Continental and Allison would have resulted in a complete re-design of the base NA-73 airframe and was never a consideration.
 

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