Best Aircraft in Many Different Roles Part II

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I thought this was a best fighter thread? It comes out as a Mossie vs P38 thread?...

Anyway- ETO- best fighter based on the effect it had during the war.

US- (unfortunately) P51. Long range. Pretty good at everything. Air superiority through loiter time and range. Excellent bomber escort for mid altitude fighting which is where the bombers flew. The P38 suffered too many mechanical problems. The P47 (my favorite) was a better high altitude fighter and ground attack but even steven at mid altitudes and not as much range.

UK - Spitfire. Simply put this plane put the Brits into the airsuperiorty regime. Fast, great turn radius, the airframe was sucessfully modified into several marks, including a carrier borne fighter! (think about the reengineering to turn a land bird into a sea bird). Sure the mossie had great range and amazing payload abilities but fighters don't carry payloads (bombs/ cookies), just fuel and ammo... and one on one, a Spit would eat a mossie. Unfortunately a relatively short range.

German - FW190. When it began to see service it changed the way air combat would be for the rest of time. Incredibly nimble, it had the fastest roll rates out of any other ETO fighter with its superbly balanced ailerons. It solidified the changing tactics from turning fights (stall fighting) to zoom and boom. It had embarrassing tendicies, like snapping into a high G stall during tight turns but its heavy armament, sleek frame, and good speed made it one of the outstanding fighters of WWII. The 262 was better in almost every department but its effect on the war was little. Too few to late. So I don't think it shouldn't be the 262. Plus the FW190 was flexible enough to eventually adapt into the D9 series and then the Ta152.

So... how'd I do... after of course I qualified my statement by saying that I based it on effect in the war and purely as fighters, not bombers.
 
Actually if you read the title of the thread it says Best Aircraft in Many Different Roles not Best Fighter.

I do agree with your assesement on each countries accept for the 262. I do believe that it was the best jet aircraft to see action in WW2 but even a P-51 as overated as it is could handle a 262. She did not have the best maneuverability of aircraf that the Germans built and her Engines were not very good, being made of metals that did not last long giving them only about 10 hours per engine. Ofcourse if a P-51 could handle a 262 so could a P-47 which I agree with you was better than the P-51.
 
How can anyone consider the P-51 to be better than the P-38 in a number of roles? The P-51 wasn't even the better fighter.
 
Well, I've been busy.
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And too much instances of the same things being said over and over again.
 
Basically you're going to end up with the same discussion that has been on so many other threads. P-38 vs. Mossie vs. Ju-88. Much further back from those 3 you might have the Pe-2.
 
. well, not really!
I think I say nothing new (too much work to browse 18 pages, I am Italian..) but think:
FW 190 : air superiority, ground attack (F) fighter-bomber (G + U and R applied to A), night fighter (Wilde sau), bomber destroyer, high altitude fighter (D9 and Ta152), anti-tank, reconnaissance.
Probably some the only role not covered was coffee-maker...
Excellent in many of the tasks and very good at all others

P47: air superiority, long range escort, fighter-bomber, high altitude fighter, ground attack and more (.. too expensive in fuel consumption, even for the Americans, for use as coffee-maker)
 
Welcome back LG. I agreee the P-51 was deffinatly not better than the P-38 in multi role areas. As others have said I think the best multi role aicraft comes down to the P-38, Mossie, and Ju-88. My vote goes for the Ju-88 and the P-38.
 
Fw-190 was an excellent and versatile aircraft, but it lacked the range to be useful in so many other roles. Same for the P-47.
Neither aircraft was ever used as a genuine bomber, a role which the Mossie, P-38, and Ju-88 all demonstrated. There was never a recon version of the P-47 produced. Nor a night-fighter version. And it didn't become a true 'long-range' anything until the appearance of the P-47N. The Fw-190 on the other hand was never produced in a long-range version. The virtually elimated the strategic, offensive potential of the aircraft. It also meant that the -190 could only be used in tactical recon whereas the other aircraft discussed could be used both tactically and strategically.
 
You're right LGuy, I believe we should make a distinction between single engined and twins (with P38 as a kind of hybrid): to much conceptual difference.

True that single engine had not the lift capability and (in general) range of the twins, but twins were structurally limited in other tasks.

About specific roles like long range/recon/bomber/anti tank etc. it also depend if there was the need to produce the related version, I think that rather than 'this is the technical list of versions/roles' we should evaluate if the plane was able to be successful in what was required to it.

As example FW 190 was able to carry 2 underwing long range tank, to lift a 1400kg torpedo (F8/U3 modified with long tailwheel strut), these versions were not put in great series production because the situation only required tactical ground operations. The FW recon version (E) was not put in production because the modified A could do the required (range limited) job.
But the airframe was able to fulfill all the oddest required tasks, like Mistel, variety of anti tank rockets, bomb strikes on UK, 2 seat trainer (S version) etc.
I am pretty sure that all other mentioned planes had several tested versions that did not went in fyull production.

Btw, yes!, I tend to prefer single engined to twins, I think a potential winner could have been the Douglas Skyrider if built in time for WW2.
 
There was a vast distinction between what the Luftwaffe considered long-range tanks and what the USAAF consider long-range tanks. For example, there was nothing in the Luftwaffe to compare with the 165-gallon tanks used on the P-38, let alone the 310-gallon tanks. In was common in the Pacific for the Lightnings to fly with one 165-gallon and one 310-gallon tank. The result was a radius of action that no WWII fighter could match. And as far as torp carrying goes, the P-38 was successfully tested with 2 2,167lb torps.
 
and the mossie was sucessfully tested and saw limited action with 1 torp AND bombs carried internally, flying off a carrier deck..........

but i believe that as far as single engine versatility goes the -190 HAS to win with mybe in corsair second?
 

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