lonestarman63
Airman
Yet other have brought up the tempest and typhoon , so i was asking what bird would they take with the types above .to see what they would take and why is all , thanks for repling 
Best Aircraft in Many Different Roles Part II
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mosquitoman
Master Sergeant
The Typhoon was a bit more than that pD, it's first role was taking down the 190s that were making the hit and run bombing raids at low level over Britain
the lancaster kicks *** said:
While I agree the Hurry deserves to be in the final vote. 20 production varients are not roles, and fitten with a second wing are not roles.
These are roles:
fighter bomber
fighter, etc.
So lets compare:
Fw-190
Fighter
Fighter-Bomber
Dive Bomber
Torpedo Bomber
Anti Shipping
2 Seat Trainer
Carrier launched fighter (there were test versions built and it would have worked)
Photo Recon
Interceptor
Anti Tank/Ground Support
Hurricane
Fighter
Fighter-Bomber
2 Seat Trainer
Carrier launched fighter
Photo Recon
Interceptor
Anti Tank/Ground Support
Anti Shipping
If I forgot any for either one, please add it in your post.
mosquitoman
Master Sergeant
The Hurricane also ran a "postal service" over Normandy for secure orders etc
Bullockracing
Airman 1st Class
Don't forget the keg-in-the-bomb-rack beverage delivery and coolant role...
pbfoot
1st Lieutenant
yes we in the north are quite innovativeBullockracing said:
"The Typhoon was a bit more than that pD, it's first role was taking down the 190s that were making the hit and run bombing raids at low level over Britain"
Yes, it's still only a fighter-bomber able to carry bombs and rockets. When not carrying that payload it became a fighter. Hardly multirole. It didn't do anything else.
Over Normandy it took part in a lot of fighter sweeps and escort missions. But ... it's just a fighter-bomber.
Yes, it's still only a fighter-bomber able to carry bombs and rockets. When not carrying that payload it became a fighter. Hardly multirole. It didn't do anything else.
Over Normandy it took part in a lot of fighter sweeps and escort missions. But ... it's just a fighter-bomber.
Bullockracing said:
Id like that role.
wmaxt
Staff Sergeant
Adler,
I don't know if the Hurricane ever did carrier work but I do know of a version that was catapulted from ships on fighter cover then ditch missions.
Fighter-bomber should not be listed if you detail the type of bombing used, at least in my opinion, fighter-bomber is a category. In my way of thinking there are
1. Strategic Bombing - Level bombing with over 2,000lbs each from a formation, the only fighter capable of this is the P-38. If you raise the limit to 4,000lbs per aircraft that eliminates many if not most medium bombers (many were rated at 3,000lbs) but still leaves the P-38.
2. Tactical Bombing - Dropping 2.000lbs or less onto a mobile or small fixed target. This includes low level bombing, glide bombing and any other bomb placement techniques that don't fit into the other classes.
3. Skip Bombing - Skipping the bomb off the water into a target.
4. Dive Bombing - Bombing at an angle of more than 45 deg.
5. Torpedo Bombing - The P-38 is the only fighter (or dedicated torpedo plane) capable of dropping two torpedo's.
All other bombing is a function of those categories otherwise a C-54 would be classed as a bomber for dropping candy in the Berlin airlift etc. To my knowledge the only WWII aircraft that is capable of, and has done all 5 is the P-38.
Just my opinion.
wmaxt
I don't know if the Hurricane ever did carrier work but I do know of a version that was catapulted from ships on fighter cover then ditch missions.
Fighter-bomber should not be listed if you detail the type of bombing used, at least in my opinion, fighter-bomber is a category. In my way of thinking there are
1. Strategic Bombing - Level bombing with over 2,000lbs each from a formation, the only fighter capable of this is the P-38. If you raise the limit to 4,000lbs per aircraft that eliminates many if not most medium bombers (many were rated at 3,000lbs) but still leaves the P-38.
2. Tactical Bombing - Dropping 2.000lbs or less onto a mobile or small fixed target. This includes low level bombing, glide bombing and any other bomb placement techniques that don't fit into the other classes.
3. Skip Bombing - Skipping the bomb off the water into a target.
4. Dive Bombing - Bombing at an angle of more than 45 deg.
5. Torpedo Bombing - The P-38 is the only fighter (or dedicated torpedo plane) capable of dropping two torpedo's.
All other bombing is a function of those categories otherwise a C-54 would be classed as a bomber for dropping candy in the Berlin airlift etc. To my knowledge the only WWII aircraft that is capable of, and has done all 5 is the P-38.
Just my opinion.
wmaxt
wmaxt
Staff Sergeant
DerAdlerIstGelandet said:
Theres a funny story along those lines. I was watching a documentary about the "Bridge Busters" in Burma, a B-25 outfit. They had gotten together and organized a mission to send a bomber to get beer. On approach to their home base they decided to let everyone know they were back with a low pass and a sharp break at the end of the field. They dodn't take into account the jury rigged beer mounts in the bomb bay shackles. At the break all the beer crashed to the bottom of the bomb bay and shattered
. I'm sure you can guess how warmly they were recieved!wmaxt
the lancaster kicks ass
Major General
- 19,937
- Dec 20, 2003
just couldn't resist it could you it's frightfull convenient don't you think, that you're very accurate descriptions of bombing all conform to, yes, the plane you're crazy about, the P-38, geez i know I'm bias to the lanc but you take it to a whole other level, and we're not even discussing twin engined aircraft so quite why, other than to give your "the P-38 is the greatest thing since sliced bread; I don't know why the allied forces used any other planes the P-38 was the best at absolutely everything" speech, you even bothered to make that post?
and as for the torpedo bombing, no, the P-38 most certainly was not the only plane capable of two torpedoes, furthermore I don't class torpedo "bombing" as bombing, for the simple fact bombs aren't involved, using a torpedo makes it an anti-shipping strike and are dropped in a totally different way to normal bombs, mines however can be dropped under the description of bombing because they're dropped in exactly the same manner............
furthermore, if you were to believe the crazy conspiracies that other planes did exist in the war, and you looked into them you would find that a number of other planes meet most if not all of your criteria, and by the way I'd say your description of Strategic bombing is wrong, weight does not come into it as much as making out, and you've simply included the weights to try and make the P-38 stand out more...........
my final point, yes there was a dedicated carrier variant of the Hurricane, imaginatively named the Sea Hurricane...........
it's frightfull convenient don't you think, that you're very accurate descriptions of bombing all conform to, yes, the plane you're crazy about, the P-38, geez i know I'm bias to the lanc but you take it to a whole other level, and we're not even discussing twin engined aircraft so quite why, other than to give your "the P-38 is the greatest thing since sliced bread; I don't know why the allied forces used any other planes the P-38 was the best at absolutely everything" speech, you even bothered to make that post? and as for the torpedo bombing, no, the P-38 most certainly was not the only plane capable of two torpedoes, furthermore I don't class torpedo "bombing" as bombing, for the simple fact bombs aren't involved, using a torpedo makes it an anti-shipping strike and are dropped in a totally different way to normal bombs, mines however can be dropped under the description of bombing because they're dropped in exactly the same manner............
furthermore, if you were to believe the crazy conspiracies that other planes did exist in the war, and you looked into them you would find that a number of other planes meet most if not all of your criteria, and by the way I'd say your description of Strategic bombing is wrong, weight does not come into it as much as making out, and you've simply included the weights to try and make the P-38 stand out more...........
my final point, yes there was a dedicated carrier variant of the Hurricane, imaginatively named the Sea Hurricane...........
wmaxt said:
Yes but right now we have moved on to talk about single engine aircraft.
We were just discussing which was more versatile the Fw-190 or the Hurricane and I voted for the Fw-190 in that race.
wmaxt
Staff Sergeant
DerAdlerIstGelandet said:
I understand that, my point is that I've seen a lot of other "Bombing Categories" that in reality were just different bomb loads. To me, thats just padding not to mention confusing to people who aren't well versed in the various techniques.
My point was not to reintroduce the P-38, I made my case and backed off that a while ago.
wmaxt
wmaxt
Staff Sergeant
the lancaster kicks *** said:just couldn't resist it could you
and as for the torpedo bombing, no, the P-38 most certainly was not the only plane capable of two torpedoes, furthermore I don't class torpedo "bombing" as bombing, for the simple fact bombs aren't involved, using a torpedo makes it an anti-shipping strike and are dropped in a totally different way to normal bombs, mines however can be dropped under the description of bombing because they're dropped in exactly the same manner............
furthermore, if you were to believe the crazy conspiracies that other planes did exist in the war, and you looked into them you would find that a number of other planes meet most if not all of your criteria, and by the way I'd say your description of Strategic bombing is wrong, weight does not come into it as much as making out, and you've simply included the weights to try and make the P-38 stand out more...........
my final point, yes there was a dedicated carrier variant of the Hurricane, imaginatively named the Sea Hurricane...........
I wasn't sure about the carrier version.
Again Lanc I was not intending to reintroduce the P-38 just to limit the padding in the definition of bombing to something useful, accurate, and consistent.
Strategic bombing does have more to it but the primary consideration is destroying targets large enough to impair the enemy's overall ability to fight or to cause a major change in strategy. That required in WWII large bombs in a quantity large enough to significantly damage those targets. P-38s on a number of occasions in numbers of 50 or more carrying 4,000lbs of bombs each level bombed, with droop snoot lead aircraft, strategic targets like sub pens etc. That places them in the "Strategic Bomber" category.
I listed Torpedo bombing because of the unique approach which diferntiates it from other forms of bombing, again my opinion. If another WWII aircraft is capable of carring two torpedos and making a a standard torpedo approach please tell me about it.
Last, I don't feel I've ever touted the P-38 like you do with the Lanc. The P-38 was, and I've never said it was, not the very best at most/anything but it was exceptionally good at many things. I've studied the P-38 the most throughly and that is why my comments are more focused there. I'm here to learn about the others and I will try to dispel some of the false issues of the P-38 if and when they come out.
If I have offended you or anyone else I apologize - it was unintended.
wmaxt
You did not offend me wmaxt, no worries.
mlpractice
Airman
- 17
- Aug 17, 2006
i'd have to mo for the mossie, it could do anything, and welll. it was fast, very fast. bomber variants had large bomb loads, large range and fast. as a night fighter it was un supassed. as a strike aircraft it was massive, 8 rockets, all that punch in the nose and a bomb. as a fights bomber it was quick, manuverable and that nose job of guns in 1 cental unit could rip it it,not to mention the awesome anti shipping and pathfinder and recon roles
While I think the mossie is a good choice I still go for the Ju-88.
Was the Mossie a better aircraft overall than the Ju-88? Yes ofcourse it was, however the most versatile aircraft was the Ju-88. She could serve in more roles than any aircraft out there and did them very very well, especially the night fighter role and the torpedo bomber role.
Was the Mossie a better aircraft overall than the Ju-88? Yes ofcourse it was, however the most versatile aircraft was the Ju-88. She could serve in more roles than any aircraft out there and did them very very well, especially the night fighter role and the torpedo bomber role.
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Recruit
- 2
- Mar 28, 2006
the bee two bits, everybody.......the b 25..........it was super-operative from the deck to 20m feet...........even with a max cruising of only 270.....
as far as single engine aircraft go i think its close between the fw190 and the p47 but i go for the fw 190 such a small plane yet it seemed you could hang almost anything from it and it would get the job done
It certainly was very versatile. I think we had a discussion about this awhile back in a different thread I believe.
