Best Bomber of WW2 (continued)

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mosquitoman said:
Thanks for that Lanc, it was the same colour scheme
The Mossie could carry the same amount as a B-17 and that had 2 engines of similar size to the B-17's

The engines on the Mossie were larger than those of the B-17 and had about 30% more power.

The Mossie carrying 4,000 lbs of bombs could not carry them as far as the B-17 carrying the same bombload. For the same range, one plane vs. one plane, the B-17 could carry 8,000 lbs of bombs as far as the Mossie could carry 4,000 lbs of bombs. However, in practice, forming up time ate a lot of fuel and reduced the typical B-17 bombloads to 4-6,000 lbs.

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The Skyraider could go further, but to do so it had to carry drop tanks, which reduced the payload.
 
Some nice Skyraider pics
Saddly the plane was a little tolate for the war, and was probable the last great prop design.

Now i know you all think the the He-111 was not that great, but I like it and the greenhouse nose has great vision. If they could have been able to clean it up more and get engins and arms, maybe range, then they had a great tatical bomber.
 
exactily, you realise when i say "they didn't have a heavy bomber" i mean they didn't have one that saw allot of service and made an impact on their war effort.........
 
No, you said "They still didnt have a heavy bomber" which is implying, straight and true, that they didnt have one full stop. I know you meant otherwise though.
The He-177 has to be their only heavy that came close to making an impact though, and I think it saw a fair amount of service.
 
Great Skyraider pics, Evan !!!....I recall reading an article about the 'Father Daughter' team, in a FLYPAST magazine I think, she also flys a T-28 Fenec too......

Gemhorse
 
the lancaster kicks ass said:
exactily, you realise when i say "they didn't have a heavy bomber" i mean they didn't have one that saw allot of service and made an impact on their war effort.........

That you are correct, they had several projects but none that made into service. The whole German heavy bomber program was started too late anyhow and enver would have been able to make an impact on the war.

Dornier Do-217

Type: High Altitude Bomber
Origin: Dornier-Werke GmbH
Models: V1, V2 and B
Production: 6 Prototypes
First Flight: 1941
Engine:
V1 V2: Daimler-Benz DB 603A inverted V12
Horsepower: 1,750hp
Number: 2

B: Daimler-Benz DB 610A/B double engines*
Horsepower: 2,870hp
Number: 2
*2 x DB 605

Fuel/Fluids:
Fuel Capacity: N/A
Type: N/A
Lubricant Capacity: N/A
Type: N/A
Hydraulic Fluid Capacity: N/A
Type: N/A

Dimensions:
Wing span (V1 V2): 20.65m (67 ft. 8.25 in.)
Wing span (B): 25.90m (85 ft.)
Wing Surface Area: N/A
Length: 16.80m (55 ft. 1.5 in.)
Height: 5.45m (17 ft. 10.5 in.)
Stabilizer Span: N/A

Weights:
Empty: N/A
Loaded (B): 24,000 kg (52,910 lbs.)
Performance:
Maximum Speed (V1): 373 mph (600 kph)
Maximum Speed (B): 416 mph (670 kph)
Cruise Speed: N/A
Range (B, without auxiliary bomb-bay tank):
3600km (2,237 miles)
Initial Climb: N/A
Endurance: N/A
Service Ceiling: N/A

Armament:
Do 317 V1:
Bombload of six 1,102 lb. (500kg) bombs in internal bomb bay.

Do 317B:
Bombload of 12,346 lb. (5600kg) in internal bomb bay
Plus
Two 3,968 lb. (1800kg) bombs on wing racks.

Avionics:
N/A


Heinkel He-277

Type: Heavy Bomber, Recce and Anti-Shipping Aircraft
Origin: Ernst Heinkel AG
Models: V1 to V3, B-5, B-6 and B-7 Series
Production: N/A
First Flight: Late 1943
Engine:
B-5:
Daimler-Benz DB 603A inverted V12
Horsepower: 1,850hp
Number: 4

B-6:
Jumo 213F
Horsepower: 2,060hp
Number: 4

Dimensions:
Wing span (B-5): 31.44m (103 ft. 1¾ in.)
Wing span (B-6): 40.00m (131 ft. 2¾ in.)
Wing Surface Area: N/A
Length: 22.15m (72 ft. 8 in.)
Height: 6.66m (21 ft. 10½ in.)
Stabilizer Span: N/A

Weights:
Empty (B-5): 21,800kg (48,067 lb.)
Loaded (B-5): 44,490kg (98,096 lb.)
Performance:
Maximum Speed: 354 mph (570 kph)
Cruise Speed: N/A
Range (B-5): 6000km (3,728 miles)
Range (B-6): 7200km (4,474 miles)
Initial Climb: N/A
Endurance: N/A
Service Ceiling: N/A

Armament:
N/A

Avionics:
N/A


Heinkel He-274

Type: High Altitude Heavy Bomber
Origin: Ernst Heinkel AG (later assigned to SAUF, Suresnes, France)
Models: V1 and V2
Production: Two prototypes
First Flight: December 1945 by the French
Engine:
Daimler-Benz DB 603A-2 inverted turbocharged V12
Horsepower: 1,850hp
Number: 4

Dimensions:
Wing span: 44.20m (145 ft. 2¼ in.)
Wing Surface Area: N/A
Length: 23.80m (78 ft. 1¼ in.)
Height: 2.10m (6 ft. 10½ in.)
Stabilizer Span: N/A

Weights:
Empty: 21,300kg (46,964 lb.)
Loaded: 38,000kg (83,786 lb.)
Performance:
Maximum Speed (Sea Level): 267 mph
Maximum Speed (11,000m): 360 mph (580 kph)
Cruise Speed: N/A
Range: 4250km (2,640 miles)
Initial Climb: N/A
Endurance: N/A
Service Ceiling: 46,915 ft (14,300m)

Armament:
N/A

Avionics:
N/A


Henschel Hs-130

Type: High-Altitude research (Hs 128),
Recon (Hs 130A, E) Bomber (Hs 130B, C)
Origin: Henschel Flugzeugwerke AG
Models: Hs 128 V1 and V2, Hs 130A-series, B,
C-series, D, E-series and F
First Flight: V1: 1939, 130E: Sept. 1942
Production: N/A

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Engine:
V1: Daimler-Benz DB 600 with DVL turbochargers
Number: Two Horsepower: 1,175hp

V2: Jumo 210 with two-stage turbochargers
Number: Two Horsepower: N/A

C: DB 603
Number: Two Horsepower: 1,850hp

E: DB 603B supercharged by DB 605T in the fuselage.
Number: Two Horsepower: 1,860hp

F: BMW 801TJ
Number: Four Horsepower: 1,800hp

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Dimensions:
Wing span:
Hs 130V1: 85 ft. 4½ in.)
Hs 130A-0: 29.00m (95 ft. 1¾ in.)
Hs 130E-0: 33.00m (108 ft. 3¼ in.)
Wing Surface Area: N/A
Length:
Hs 130A-0: 14.95m (49 ft. ½ in.)
Hs 130E-0: 22.00m (72 ft. 2 in.)
Height:
Hs 130A-0: 4.90m (16 ft. 1 in.)
Hs 130E-0: 5.60m (18 ft. 4½ in.)
Weights:
Empty:
Hs 130A-0: N/A
Hs 130E-0: 12,200kg (26,900 lb.)
Loaded:
Hs 130A-0: 11,680kg (25,750 lb.)
Hs 130E-0: 18,100kg (39,900 lb.)
Performance:
Maximum Speed:
Hs 130A-0: 292 mph (470 kph)
Hs 130E-0: 379 mph (610 kph)
Range:
Hs 130A-0: 1,385 miles (2230km)
Hs 130E-0: 1,860 miles (3000km)



Armament: C-Bomber
Two Twin MG 131 barbettes
One MG 15 in tail

Bomb Load: C-Bomber
8,816 lb (4000kg


Junkers Ju-287

Type: Heavy Bomber
Origin: Junkers Flugzeug und Motorenwerks AG
Model: V1 to V3
Crew: V3: Three
First Flight:
Ju 287 V1: August 16, 1944
Ju 287 V2: 1947 by Soviet Union
Number of Flights: V1: 17
Number Produced: 2, (V3) not completed

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Engine:
Ju 287 V1 V2:
Model: Junkers Jumo 004
Type: Turbojets
Number: Four Thrust: 1,980lb (900kg)
Note: Four 2,645lb (1,200kg) thrust Walter 501 takeoff
assistance rockets also mounted.

Ju 287 V3:
Model: BMW 003A
Type: Turbojets
Number: Six Thrust: 1,760lb (800kg)

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Dimensions:
Span: 65 ft. 11¾ in. (20.11m)
Length:
Ju 287 V1: 60 ft. 0½ in. (18.30m)
Height: N/A
Wing Area: N/A

Weights:
Empty: 12,510kg
Loaded: 20,000kg
Performance:
Maximum speed:
Ju 287 V1: 560km/h (348mph)
Ju 287 V3: 865kn/h (537mph)
Range with max. bombs (est.):
Ju 287 V3: 1585km (985 miles)

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Armament:
Two MG 131 in remote control tail barbette.

Bombs: Ju 287 V3
8,818 lb. (4000 kg)


Junkers Ju-390

Type: Long Range Bomber or Reconnaissance aircraft.
Origin: Junkers Flugzeug und Motorenwerke AG
Models: V1 to V3 and A-1
Crew: N/A
First Flight: Prototypes only
Final Delivery: None
Number Produced: V1 and V2 Only

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Engine:
Model: BMW 801E
Type: 18-Cylinder two-row radial
Number: Six Horsepower: 1,970 hp

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Dimensions:
Wing span: 165 ft. 1 in. (50.30m)
Length: 112 ft. 2.5 in. (34.20m)
Height: 22 ft. 7 in. (6.89m)
Wing Surface Area: N/A

Weights:
Empty: 81,350 lb. (36,900 kg)
Loaded: 166,448 lb. (75,500 kg)
Performance:
Maximum Speed:
Clean: 314 mph (505 kph)
With Max. Eternal Weapons: 267 mph (430 kph)
Initial Climb: N/A
Service Ceiling (Typical): N/A
Range in Recce configuration:
6,027 miles (9700 km)
Endurance in Recce configuration: 32 Hours

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Armament:
Eight 20mm MG 151.
Eight 13mm MG 131.

Payload:
Transport (V1): 22,046 lb. (10,000 kg)
Bomber (V3): 3,968 lb. (1800 kg)

Avionics:
FuG 200 Hohentwiel Radar.


Junkers Ju-488

Type: Heavy Bomber
Origin: Junkers Flugzeug und Motorenwerke AG
Models: V401-406
First Flight: None
Service Delivery: None
Final Delivery: None

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Powerplant:
Ju 488 V401-402:
Model: BMW 801TJ
Type: Radials
Number: Four Horsepower: 1,890 hp

Ju 488 V403-406:
Model: Jumo 222A-3/B-3
Type: Multi-banked liquid cooled
Number: Four Horsepower: 2,500 hp
Dimensions:
Wing span: 31.27m (102 ft. 7¾ in.)
Length: 22.23m (76 ft. 3 in.)
Height: 6.10m (20 ft. 0 in.)
Wing Surface Area: N/A

Weights:
Empty: 21,000kg (46,297 lb.)
Maximum: 36,000kg (79,366 lb.)

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Performance:
Maximum Speed: 690km/h (429mph)
Initial climb: N/A
Range (fully loaded): 2,113 miles (3400km)
Service Ceiling: N/A

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Armament: N/A


Messerschmitt Me-264

Type: Ultra Long Range Bomber
Origin: Messerschmitt AG
Engines:
Four 1,700 hp BMW 801D or G 18-cylinder radials

Dimensions:
Span: 43m
Length: 20.90m Height: 4.30m

Weights:
Empty 46,627lb.
Max. Loaded 123,460lb.
Performance:
Max. Speed: 565km/h (351mph)
Max range at 217mph 9,321 miles

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yes i'm aware of some of their ither designs however i'm always doubtfull of figures for planes that never really saw service as we don't know they could have done it in combat.......
 
RG_Lunatic said:
The engines on the Mossie were larger than those of the B-17 and had about 30% more power.

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Lunatic

Mossie - 3300ci
B-17 - 7280ci

Now which a/c had the greater displacement?

Mossie - 3200hp
B-17 - 4800hp

Now which a/c had the more power?
 
Which equates to 1600hp per engine for the Mossie and 1200hp per engine for the B-17, which is less than the Mossie's, which is the point I believe RG was tring to make.
 
Some good work with the bombers.

I know that you all will not like this but what the hell! The Germans could have used the P-108, taken it made it better and used it. That would have given them a 4 engine bomber in 1943 So now you can all argue about it. Any thoghts for me new sig?
 
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