110% agree I said that before but that was one of several questions he will not answer of mine.
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And how many of those German tanks were destroyed by allied airpower. In Normandy anything that moved in the day was shot up (if it was German). A large percentage of those German losses would of been as a result of aircraft and not allied tanks. If it was only allied tanks the loss ratio would be more like 5:1 and less like 2:1...
Ok so you are acknowledging that Germans had close to a 2:1 ratio in their favor.
Being that we are talking at the moment just about Tiger/Panther/Tiger2 tanks vs Allies tanks. Do you agree that the 2:1 ratio would be higher if we could remove the lighter German tank losses?
You are talking about half the German tanks. 'Light' does not enter it. The only other TANK (not SP Guns) would be the PzIV
800 Panthers/Tigers and 900 PzIV
Once you start upping the heavies score you take nearly all the kills away from the PzIV's, Anti-tank guns, mines, infantry ect. Nothing is left for anyone else.
With the overall loss rate ( 3000:1800 roughly) 5:1 is simply not possible.
I got an idea... Why dont u take ur "I wanna prove the world wrong" attitude somewhere else... U are caustic to everyone here and a wise-@ss who think their stats are the only right stats....
All these numbers ur putting out here are numbers that are not 100% accurate, just like everyone elses, so u need to take ur holier-than-tho attitude and shove it up ur @ss....
Where on earth did the rumour start up about there only being a 2:1 ratio??? I can find no official figures anywhere that quote it.... Oh wait a minute, if kenny says its so, it must be the gospel written from up high... I soooo very glad we have the worlds leading tank expert here with his 100% accurate statistics... Gimmie a freaken break....
Heres some Moderator advice... Give up the attitude pal, otherwise ur stay here will be short... Ur quest to quell the internet boogeyman and the bogus stats of the world shall not be fulfilled here...
While I think this argument has got a little out of hand. I'm going to have to say somethingI got an idea... Why dont u take ur "I wanna prove the world wrong" attitude somewhere else... U are caustic to everyone here and a wise-@ss who think their stats are the only right stats....
So far, the numbers he's put up for the total number of tanks lost by both sides in the Normandy battles are correct.All these numbers ur putting out here are numbers that are not 100% accurate, just like everyone elses, so u need to take ur holier-than-tho attitude and shove it up ur @ss....
while m kenny might be a little caustic in his attitude, his knowledge of German tanks in Normandy is greater than anybody else on this forum.Where on earth did the rumour start up about there only being a 2:1 ratio??? I can find no official figures anywhere that quote it.... Oh wait a minute, if kenny says its so, it must be the gospel written from up high... I soooo very glad we have the worlds leading tank expert here with his 100% accurate statistics... Gimmie a freaken break....
I suppose you are going to warn the other members about their personal insults towards m kenny as wellHeres some Moderator advice... Give up the attitude pal, otherwise ur stay here will be short...
Actually could you do me a favour, and remove me from the members list... I no longer wish to be associated with this forum.Nope, but I will give both of u @ssholes a warning
No-one can touch your source if it doesn't exist...
Well a 'wise ass' should be easy to discredit. Instead of general abuse show me where the figures are wrong.
And you need to understand that a big mouth does not give you the right to discredit 'statistics' that are indeed 'accurate'.
Perhaps you could tell me why the official US Army figures for destroyed tanks are 'not 100% accurate?
Why are the German monthly round ups of tanks lost in Normandy 'not accurate'
Have you found mistakes in the UK table of tanks lost in June/July and August of 1944?
They are not 'my numbers' so please show me where they are wrong.
I can see your problem though. The figures punch a huge hole in the mythical 5:1 Panther/Tiger ratio. To get back to this distortion you do need to ignore the real totals.
Other than invective can you add anything here?
By the way you misquoted me. I said:
" Can I ask why people are saying there is a 5:1 kill ratio?"
Rateh than your distorted
"Where on earth did the rumour start up about there only being a 2:1 ratio???"
If you believe the conclusion to be wrong then show why. Losing your temper may be theraputic but it is rarely informative.
I should defer to those who recycle myth as reality?
This is forum policy?
The way I see it 'pal' is my information has upset a lot of people here.
They constantly tell me I am 'wrong'
The deride my information.
They insult me.
But they not one of them has posted a fact that casts the slightest doubt on anything I wrote.
I do not claim that 'I' am right.
It is not 'my' discovery.
It is in the monthly loss tables.
I have just given them more exposure.
Show the facts are wrong. Prove the figures are bogus.
Do that instead of hysterical chest thumping and you might get somewhere.
To make it simple.
Can anyone here give me examples where a Tiger Unit in Normandy achieved a 10:1 kill ratio?
Cite specific examples where individual Tigers took on and beat 10 Shermans,?
5 Shermans?
As this 5:1 was the norm there should be mountains of evidence to back it up.
We already know about Wittmann and Barkmann but I am after the ordinary everyday German tanker and his 5 kills.
Please do not bother posting Willy Feys account of August 7th. It is bogus.
No screaming or little girl tantrums now, just the facts.
Redcoat this is exactly the purpose of the harassment. Do not give in to it. When no one can touch your source they have to play the man.
Actually could you do me a favour, and remove me from the members list... I no longer wish to be associated with this forum.
Bye folks
M_kenny you are infact the one who is making stuff up.
But Ok M_kenny, whats your source exactly ??
Also please prove that the Allied rule of thumb that it took 5 shermans for every Tiger is wrong - I'm very interested in this since a very regarded expert on these matters from bovington told me about this fact.
Now read a book by Thomas L. Jentz would you, cause you desperately need to !
So get off your fricken national pride because I dont care about it!
Another miss. I am Irish. What national pride did you think was involved?