Best Fighter Pilot in WW II?? (Continued)

[cheddar cheese]

In theory anyway.

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

ok without the last few posts that means very little..........

 

[mosquitoman]

Does best fighter pilot include nightfighters aswell, if So Heinz Schnaufer and John Cunningham are right up there with the greats

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I would think that a night fighter pilot is a fighter pilot also, so yeah.

 

[mosquitoman]

In that case I would go for Heinz Schnaufer, he was the highest scoring pilot in the NJG.I think one of the rudders of his Me110 is in the Imperial War Museum, London

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Yeah he seems like a pretty good pilot.

Heinz Schnaufer
Comments: by Peter Hinchliffe
Schnaufer was born in a Stuttgart maternity home on the 16th February 1922. His home was in the Black Forest township of Calw, and he was to be the eldest of four children, three boys and a girl. Although christened 'Heinz Wolfgang" ("Wolfgang" after his godfather) he was universally known simply as "Heinz". He grew up in prosperous circumstances, his father being a wine-merchant of some substance. He was gifted both academically and athletically, and in 1938, at the age of 16, entered the NPEA (National Political Educational Establishment) at Backnang, moving the following year to the NPEA at Potsdam. An NPEA was a training school for young men specially selected for advancement in the service of the National Socialist Party, and Potsdam was the NPEA at which those opting for a flying career in the Luftwaffe were introduced to flying training.
Heinz Schnaufer entered the Luftwaffe as a trainee officer-pilot in November 1939, and completed his flying training in 1941. At the Heavy Fighter School (Zerstorerschule) at Wunstorf he met Fritz Rumpelhardt, who became his Funker (radio/radar operator) and flew with him, with a break in 1943, until the end of the war. At this time Schnaufer and Rumpelhardt agreed to volunteer to fly with the newly-formed Nachtjagd, the night-fighter arm of the Luftwaffe. In November 1941, on completion of their flying training, they were posted to II./NJG 1 at Stade, near Hamburg, later transferring with the same unit to Saint-Trond, Belgium. Throughout his career Schnaufer only flew the Bf 110 operationally, despite subsequently commanding a Geschwader equipped with the Ju 88.

Schnaufer's first operational experience came in February 1942, when II./NJG 1 were detached to fly escort for the capital ships Scharnhorst, Gneisenau and Prinz Eugen when they broke out from Brest en route for Norway. His first 'kill', however, did not come until the night of 1st/2nd June 1942, when he shot down a Handley-Page Halifax near Louvain, Belgium. By the end of the year his score stood at only 7, including three in a night on 1 August. It has often been said that Schnaufer was a "slow starter", but at that time Bomber Command activity in his area was only moderate.

Schnaufer was promoted Oberleutnant in July 1943, when his score stood at 17. In August he transferred to IV./NJG 1 at Leeuwarden, Holland, where he became Staffelkapitan 12./NJG 1 (IV./NJG 1). He remained there, with a detachment to Quakenbruck in September/December 43, until March 1944, when he was appointed Kommandeur IV./NJG 1 and moved with the unit back to Saint-Trond. By this time he had shot down 47 RAF bombers. There was also, by this time, a third man in Schnaufer's crew, Wilhelm Gansler, employed mainly as a look-out, an "extra pair of eyes". In December 1943 Schnaufer had been awarded the Ritterkreuz, with his score standing at 42.

Schnaufer remained as Kommandeur IV./NJG 1 until November 1944, being promoted Hauptmann in May 1944 and receiving the Eichenlaub in June after 84 victories. He was awarded the Schwerter in July, with his score at 89. In July, too, his two crewmen, Rumpelhardt and Gansler, were awarded the Ritterkreuz. In September 1944 IV./NJG 1 retreated back into Germany, being stationed temporarily at Dusseldorf and Dortmund. Schnaufer achieved his 100th night-time victory on 9 October 1944, for which achievement he was awarded the Brillanten by Adolf Hitler.

The following month Heinz Schnaufer, still only 22 years old, was made Kommodore NJG 4, based at Gutersloh. At the end of the year his score was 106. In December he was promoted Major.

Schnaufer's greatest one-off success came on 21 February 1945, when he destroyed 9 RAF heavy bombers in the course of one day, two in the early hours of the morning and a further seven in the evening. Post-war research suggests that in fact his total that day was 10, one claim not having been acknowledged.

At the end of the war Schnaufer's official tally stood at 121. He was taken prisoner by the British in May 1945 at Eggebek in Schleswig-Holstein, but was released later that year and returned to Calw, where he took over the reins of the family wine business, his father having died during the war. By the time of his death in 1950 he had built up the business to a very prosperous concern. His end came when, during a wine-purchasing visit to France, his open sports car was in collision with a lorry on the main road south from Bordeaux. The lorry had failed to observe right of way and entered the main road illegally. Heavy gas cylinders from the lorry fell on to Schnaufer's car, at least one of them hitting Schnaufer on the head. He died in hospital two days later, on 15 July 1950.

This summary by Peter Hinchliffe, OBE, author of "The Other Battle", currently writing the biography of Heinz Schnaufer for Crecy Books Ltd.
http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/schnafer.html

 

[Erich]

I have several NF favourites like friend Heinz Rökker with 60 plus kills

 

[mosquitoman]

It has to be Schnaufer- the Ghost of St Trond

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I am not up to date with too many night fighter pilots. I need to read more up on them. I have been learning mostly about the traditional standard Me-109 and Fw-190 pilots.

 

[Brunner]

When talking about day fighters I would opt for Heinz Baer, as he gained his victories on all fronts Germany was fighting on.
NF, of course Schnauffer

 

[Erich]

ah one that agrees with me about H. Baer !

for the Nachtjagd I would say Heinz Rökker or maybe the unknown Bruno Rupp

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I have always loved Heinz Baer. I used to tell my mother when I was a child that I was Baer reborn!

 

[GT]

Update.

 

[cheddar cheese]

In other words, Josef Priller.

 

[mosquitoman]

Again, Schnaufer

 

[Udet]

Hans Joachim Marseille.

Flew like the devil and killed like the devil himself.

Like most pilots are, he was bold, daring, crazy and reckless. He would release himself to attack numerically superior enemy formations, hesitation apparently was an unknown notion in Marseille´s profile.

I heard a veteran saying Hartmann was the follow up of the early gone Marseille.

The allies, in their fashion, have tried to minimize Hans as well.
Quality is quality here and there.

Kittyhawks, Hurricanes and Spitfires, all together, died when meeting Hans in the air.

Hans was one of the very few pilots of WWII who turned his fighter virtually into another extension of his body.

From some records of (IIRC) Royal Australian Air Force units I recall being cited, Marseille was such an absolute master of the air, there were cases units believing they were being attacked by superior forces

 

[GT]

Update.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I would say when it comes to the west front Heinz Baer, Marseille, and Priller.

 

[cheddar cheese]

The "Best in the West" But yeah ill agree.

 

[Chocks away!]

I have always loved Heinz Baer. I used to tell my mother when I was a child that I was Baer reborn!

Did he get a kill during operation Bodenplatte?