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mosquitoman
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I think we're not going to come to a conclusion, there's so many roles a medium bomber did. Each one was best at a different job
Best medium bomber?
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Am I the only vote for the Invader?
I was used a Bomber. It had an internal bomb capacity equal to the B-25's (4,000lbs.) In addition, it was often loaded with another 2,000lbs in mountings under the wings for a total of 6,000lbs.
Those who point out that the A-26 was designated as an attack bomber or light bomber are really raising form over substance. The B-25 was used in the attack bomber role as well. Both the A-26 and B-25 were used for the same tasks but the A-26 could substantially outperform the B-25.
On another note, the Invader was no less of a medium bomber than the Mosquito was and again could outperform it in that role.
I was used a Bomber. It had an internal bomb capacity equal to the B-25's (4,000lbs.) In addition, it was often loaded with another 2,000lbs in mountings under the wings for a total of 6,000lbs.
Those who point out that the A-26 was designated as an attack bomber or light bomber are really raising form over substance. The B-25 was used in the attack bomber role as well. Both the A-26 and B-25 were used for the same tasks but the A-26 could substantially outperform the B-25.
On another note, the Invader was no less of a medium bomber than the Mosquito was and again could outperform it in that role.
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the wellington was the best strateigic bomber though.......
cheddar cheese
Major General
In the early years maybe, but I think it was out performed by othe planes in the later years...
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ok what other medium bomber could carry a cookie to berlin and beyond with the same greatness??
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mosquitoman
Master Sergeant
The Mossie?
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Major General
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fair point......
cheddar cheese
Major General
Although that wasnt a strategic bomber...
And youre thinking too one sided lanc...
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Major General
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and you really expected me to do otherwise??
cheddar cheese
Major General
For the second time in 4 posts; fair point
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cheddar cheese
Major General
Best strategic bomber was the CANT Z.1007 
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mosquitoman
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For me it has to be the Mossie (surprise!) or the B-25, they could do anything that could be asked of them. Those two would be better for a comparison than the Mossie and the P-38
cheddar cheese
Major General
Naw, the B-25 and P-38 are in completely different leagues...A B-25 dogfighting a Zero would be something Id like to se The P-38 could do more than the B-25 anywho though.
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mosquitoman
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But if the Zero got in front of the B-25 it would be blasted to pieces
cheddar cheese
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If ANYTHING got in front of a B-25H it would be obliterated
wmaxt
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cheddar cheese said:Naw, the B-25 and P-38 are in completely different leagues...A B-25 dogfighting a Zero would be something Id like to se
But I think mosquitoman is right about the B-25/Mossie being a closer comparison and except for speed a very appropriate one. The P-38 was primarily a fighter one of if not the very best piston fighter ever. P-38/Mossie/B-25 comparisons are really apples/oranges except that they were all so adaptable.
I've also heard of a B-25 pilot/Ace using the pilots guns!
By the way I got Warren Bodies book about the P-38, it's great. Verry informatitave and not only does it disspell many myths but has a lot of background about the P-38 and it's contemporaries. Deffenitly recomended.
cheddar cheese
Major General
Ill have to look out for that one! 8)
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mosquitoman
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A B-25 ace, well I never
NightHawk
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You are leaveing the germens out of the disscusion, That is not fair,
The Ju-88 was every bit as good as other bomber from its class.
Its like the germen counterpart of The Timber Terror.
Just look how much versions it had:
Subtype Description:
Ju88 A-Series (Bomber)
Ju88A0 horizontal and dive bomber with 2 x 882kW Jumo 211B-1, 8 built in 1938
Ju88A1 with 2 x 882kW Jumo 211G-1, 69 built in 1939
Ju88A2 as A1, to be started from catapulte, 20 built for Finland
Ju88A3 as A1, training aircraft
Ju88A4 with 2 x 1040kW Jumo 211J-1, dive bomber aircraft with larger wing since 1940, larger tail since 1942
Ju88A4trop as A4 for tropical regions
Ju88A5 as A1 with larger wing, 2 x Jumo211G, bomber and surveyer aircraft
Ju88A6 as A5 with balloon destroyer
Ju88A6U as A5 used as long range sea surveyer with 2 x 880kW Jumo 211H
Ju88A7 as A5, training aircraft with 2 x Jumo 211B1 or 211H
Ju88A8 as A4 with 2 x 990kW Jumo211F-1 and Kuto nose
Ju88A9 as A1 dive bomber for tropical missions (also known as Ju88A1trop)
Ju88A10 as A5 for tropical missions
Ju88A11 as A4 for tropical missions
Ju88A12 as A5 with larger wing and cockpit with 2 x Jumo 211G-1, training aircraft
Ju88A13 as A4, combat aircraft
Ju88A14 as A4 with larger wing, Kuto nose with 2 x 1040kW Jumo 211J-1, ship attacks
Ju88A15 as A4 with Jumo 211J-1 and bombs in a wooden bomb compartement below fuselage
Ju88A16 as A14, training aircraft
Ju88A17 as A4 with larger wing and 2 x Jumo 211-J1, torpedo bomber
Ju88 B-, E- and F-Series (Bomber/Destroyer/Surveyer)
Ju88B0 surveyer as A5 with 2 x 1150kW BMW801MA and new cockpit glas design, 10 built in 1940
Ju88B1 as B0 for destroyer missions with stronger weapons, only prototype built
Ju88B3 destroyer aircraft, only one built
Ju88E0 as B-series with stronger defense weapons, only prototypes built in 1942
Ju88E1 as B-series with BMW801ML, continued as Ju188E
Ju88F as B0-series, continued as Ju188F since 1943
Ju88 C-Series (Fighter and Destroyer)
The C-Series was also known as Z-Series (Zerstorer=Destroyer)
Ju88C0 destroyer night fighter, 2 x Jumo 211B-1 derivated from A1 (also known as Ju88Z, Ju88SA2)
Ju88C1 as C0 with 2 x Jumo 211G-1
Ju88C2 as C1 with larger wing and stronger weapons, 62 rebuilt from Ju88A1s in 1940, some with DB610
Ju88C3 night fighter with 2 x BMW801A, projected only, not built
Ju88C4 as C2 with radar equipment rebuilt from A5s since 1941
Ju88C5 night fighter with 2 x BMW801MA as C2, only few built
Ju88C6 heavy fighter, 2 x 1040kW Jumo 211J-1 as C1 with radar and stronger weapons
Ju88C6a day fighter version of C6
Ju88C6b night fighter version of C6
Ju88C6c
Ju88C7 destroyer aircraft with 2 x BMW801MA or Jumo 211J-1 with larger wing.
Ju88C7a destroyer with bomb payload 500kg
Ju88C7b increased bomb payload 1600kg
Ju88C7c fighter version
Ju88 D-Series (Surveyer)
Ju88D0/D1 surveyer aircraft with 2 x Jumo 211J-1 as A4 with radar equipment, 330 built since 1940
Ju88D2 surveyer aircraft as A5 with 2 x Jumo 211B-1 or G-1 with larger wing
Ju88D3 as D1 for tropical missions
Ju88D4 as D2 for tropical missions
Ju88D5 further development of D1 with 2 x Jumo 211J-1
Ju88 G-Series (Night Fighter)
Ju88G1 night fighter with 2 x 1250kW BMW801G-2, derivated from A4 (wing) and Ju188 (fuselage) in 1943
Ju88G2/G5 were not built
Ju88G6 night fighter with 2 x 1290kW Jumo 213A1 with better radar equipment and stronger weapons
Ju88G7 night fighter with 2 x Jumo 213A1 with FuG228 radar equipment, only prototype built
Ju88G10 night fighter with 2 x Jumo 213A1 with FuG240 radar equipment, only prototype built, also known as Ju88H2
Ju88 H-Series (Surveyer and Fighter)
Ju88H1 surveyer, 2 x 1250kW BMW801G as D-series with larger fuselage and radar, prototypes only
Ju88H2 long range fighter aircraft with 2 x BMW801G, prototypes only
Ju88H3 surveyer aircraft with 2 x Jumo 213A with longer fuselage than H1/H2, not built
Ju88H4 long range fighter aircraft with 2 x Jumo 213A and longer fuselage than H2, not built
Ju88 N- and P-Series (Tank Destroyer)
Ju88Nbwe ground support aircraft with flame canon, only 1 built from C4-series
Ju88P1 tank destroyer aircraft with 2 x 1040kW Jumo 211J1, derivated from A4 in 1942
Ju88P2/P3 as P1 with stronger attack weapons, prototypes only in 1943
Ju88P4 as P1 with stronger attack weapons since 1943, 30 built
Ju88 R-Series (Night Fighter)
Ju88R1 night fighter aircraft with 2 x BMW801MA derivated from C6 (also known as C6/R1)
Ju88R2 night fighter aircraft with 2 x BMW801G1 derivated from C6
Ju88 S-Series (Quick Bomber)
Ju88S0 quick bomber aircraft with 2 x 1250kW BMW801G2 with better aerodynamics since 1943
Ju88S1/S2 as S0 with modified bomb connectors
Ju88S3 with 2 x 1290kW Jumo 213A1
Ju88S4 as S3 with inside bomb compartement, only prototype built
Ju88S5 with 2 x Jumo213T, only prototype built.
Ju88 T-Series (Surveyer)
Ju88T1 surveyer aircraft with 2 x BMW801G2 derivated from S1
Ju88T3 surveyer aircraft with 2 x Jumo 213A1 derivated from S3, only projected.
Ju88Z destroyer series, built under designator Ju88C
Ju88 Mistel-Series
Mistel 1 combination of Ju88 and Me109F, for training, 12 built, also known as Mistel S1
Mistel 2 combination of Ju88G and Fw190A, 75 built
Mistel 3B combination of Ju88H and Fw190A
Mistel 3C combination of Ju88H/Fw190A, Ju88 with dropable center gear for better take off performance
Ju188 Series:
Ju188A0 horizontal bomber aircraft with 2 x 1285kW Jumo213A1, further development of E-series since 1943
Ju188A1 dive bomber as A0, not built as dive bombing program was stopped
Ju188A2 horizontal bomber aircraft as A0 since 1944
Ju188A3 torpedo aircraft as A1, improved E3
Ju188C0 with remote backward Mgs as A1, only prototypes built
Ju188D1/D2 long distance surveyer as A1, built since spring 1944
Ju188E0 initial prototypes with 2 x 1250kW BMW801G2 derivated from Ju88E, 10 built
Hu188E1 as E0 with 2 x 1270 BMW801D2
Ju188E2 torpedo aircraft as E1
Ju188F1/F2 surveyer aircraft as E1 with radar equipment
Ju188G0/G2 bomber aircraft as E1, only prototypes built
Ju188H2 surveyer aircraft as E1, only projected, not built
Ju188J projected destroyer and night fighter with pressured cabin, built as Ju388J
Ju188K projected bomber with pressured cabin, built as Ju388K
Ju188L projected surveyer with pressured cabin, built as Ju388L
Ju188R0 night fighter aircraft, as E1, only prototypes built
Ju188S1 high altitude bomber with 2 x Jumo213E1, only few built
Ju188T1 surveyer aircraft as S1
Ju388 Subtypes:
J-Series (Day and Night Fighter)
Ju388J1 with BMW 801J0 (1330kW, destroyer and night fighter
Ju388J2 with 2 x Jumo 222A/B (1470kW), destroyer and day fighter, also night fighter, projected
Ju388J3 with 2 x Jumo 213D, day and night fighter, no serial production until end of WWII, projected
K-Series (Bomber)
Ju388K1 with BMW801J0 and BMW801G
Ju388K2 with Jumo 222A/B, later also Jumo 222E/F, projected
Ju388K3 with Jumo 213E, projected
L-Series (Surveyer)
Ju388L1 with BMW801J0 and BMW801G, long range surveyer, 3 seats
Ju388L2 with Jumo 222A/B, later Jumo 222E/F, projected
Ju388L3 with Jumo 213E, projected
Ju388M as J with 4 seats in cockpit, torpedo bomber
Ju488 four engined, strategic bomber
The Ju-88 was every bit as good as other bomber from its class.
Its like the germen counterpart of The Timber Terror.
Just look how much versions it had:
Subtype Description:
Ju88 A-Series (Bomber)
Ju88A0 horizontal and dive bomber with 2 x 882kW Jumo 211B-1, 8 built in 1938
Ju88A1 with 2 x 882kW Jumo 211G-1, 69 built in 1939
Ju88A2 as A1, to be started from catapulte, 20 built for Finland
Ju88A3 as A1, training aircraft
Ju88A4 with 2 x 1040kW Jumo 211J-1, dive bomber aircraft with larger wing since 1940, larger tail since 1942
Ju88A4trop as A4 for tropical regions
Ju88A5 as A1 with larger wing, 2 x Jumo211G, bomber and surveyer aircraft
Ju88A6 as A5 with balloon destroyer
Ju88A6U as A5 used as long range sea surveyer with 2 x 880kW Jumo 211H
Ju88A7 as A5, training aircraft with 2 x Jumo 211B1 or 211H
Ju88A8 as A4 with 2 x 990kW Jumo211F-1 and Kuto nose
Ju88A9 as A1 dive bomber for tropical missions (also known as Ju88A1trop)
Ju88A10 as A5 for tropical missions
Ju88A11 as A4 for tropical missions
Ju88A12 as A5 with larger wing and cockpit with 2 x Jumo 211G-1, training aircraft
Ju88A13 as A4, combat aircraft
Ju88A14 as A4 with larger wing, Kuto nose with 2 x 1040kW Jumo 211J-1, ship attacks
Ju88A15 as A4 with Jumo 211J-1 and bombs in a wooden bomb compartement below fuselage
Ju88A16 as A14, training aircraft
Ju88A17 as A4 with larger wing and 2 x Jumo 211-J1, torpedo bomber
Ju88 B-, E- and F-Series (Bomber/Destroyer/Surveyer)
Ju88B0 surveyer as A5 with 2 x 1150kW BMW801MA and new cockpit glas design, 10 built in 1940
Ju88B1 as B0 for destroyer missions with stronger weapons, only prototype built
Ju88B3 destroyer aircraft, only one built
Ju88E0 as B-series with stronger defense weapons, only prototypes built in 1942
Ju88E1 as B-series with BMW801ML, continued as Ju188E
Ju88F as B0-series, continued as Ju188F since 1943
Ju88 C-Series (Fighter and Destroyer)
The C-Series was also known as Z-Series (Zerstorer=Destroyer)
Ju88C0 destroyer night fighter, 2 x Jumo 211B-1 derivated from A1 (also known as Ju88Z, Ju88SA2)
Ju88C1 as C0 with 2 x Jumo 211G-1
Ju88C2 as C1 with larger wing and stronger weapons, 62 rebuilt from Ju88A1s in 1940, some with DB610
Ju88C3 night fighter with 2 x BMW801A, projected only, not built
Ju88C4 as C2 with radar equipment rebuilt from A5s since 1941
Ju88C5 night fighter with 2 x BMW801MA as C2, only few built
Ju88C6 heavy fighter, 2 x 1040kW Jumo 211J-1 as C1 with radar and stronger weapons
Ju88C6a day fighter version of C6
Ju88C6b night fighter version of C6
Ju88C6c
Ju88C7 destroyer aircraft with 2 x BMW801MA or Jumo 211J-1 with larger wing.
Ju88C7a destroyer with bomb payload 500kg
Ju88C7b increased bomb payload 1600kg
Ju88C7c fighter version
Ju88 D-Series (Surveyer)
Ju88D0/D1 surveyer aircraft with 2 x Jumo 211J-1 as A4 with radar equipment, 330 built since 1940
Ju88D2 surveyer aircraft as A5 with 2 x Jumo 211B-1 or G-1 with larger wing
Ju88D3 as D1 for tropical missions
Ju88D4 as D2 for tropical missions
Ju88D5 further development of D1 with 2 x Jumo 211J-1
Ju88 G-Series (Night Fighter)
Ju88G1 night fighter with 2 x 1250kW BMW801G-2, derivated from A4 (wing) and Ju188 (fuselage) in 1943
Ju88G2/G5 were not built
Ju88G6 night fighter with 2 x 1290kW Jumo 213A1 with better radar equipment and stronger weapons
Ju88G7 night fighter with 2 x Jumo 213A1 with FuG228 radar equipment, only prototype built
Ju88G10 night fighter with 2 x Jumo 213A1 with FuG240 radar equipment, only prototype built, also known as Ju88H2
Ju88 H-Series (Surveyer and Fighter)
Ju88H1 surveyer, 2 x 1250kW BMW801G as D-series with larger fuselage and radar, prototypes only
Ju88H2 long range fighter aircraft with 2 x BMW801G, prototypes only
Ju88H3 surveyer aircraft with 2 x Jumo 213A with longer fuselage than H1/H2, not built
Ju88H4 long range fighter aircraft with 2 x Jumo 213A and longer fuselage than H2, not built
Ju88 N- and P-Series (Tank Destroyer)
Ju88Nbwe ground support aircraft with flame canon, only 1 built from C4-series
Ju88P1 tank destroyer aircraft with 2 x 1040kW Jumo 211J1, derivated from A4 in 1942
Ju88P2/P3 as P1 with stronger attack weapons, prototypes only in 1943
Ju88P4 as P1 with stronger attack weapons since 1943, 30 built
Ju88 R-Series (Night Fighter)
Ju88R1 night fighter aircraft with 2 x BMW801MA derivated from C6 (also known as C6/R1)
Ju88R2 night fighter aircraft with 2 x BMW801G1 derivated from C6
Ju88 S-Series (Quick Bomber)
Ju88S0 quick bomber aircraft with 2 x 1250kW BMW801G2 with better aerodynamics since 1943
Ju88S1/S2 as S0 with modified bomb connectors
Ju88S3 with 2 x 1290kW Jumo 213A1
Ju88S4 as S3 with inside bomb compartement, only prototype built
Ju88S5 with 2 x Jumo213T, only prototype built.
Ju88 T-Series (Surveyer)
Ju88T1 surveyer aircraft with 2 x BMW801G2 derivated from S1
Ju88T3 surveyer aircraft with 2 x Jumo 213A1 derivated from S3, only projected.
Ju88Z destroyer series, built under designator Ju88C
Ju88 Mistel-Series
Mistel 1 combination of Ju88 and Me109F, for training, 12 built, also known as Mistel S1
Mistel 2 combination of Ju88G and Fw190A, 75 built
Mistel 3B combination of Ju88H and Fw190A
Mistel 3C combination of Ju88H/Fw190A, Ju88 with dropable center gear for better take off performance
Ju188 Series:
Ju188A0 horizontal bomber aircraft with 2 x 1285kW Jumo213A1, further development of E-series since 1943
Ju188A1 dive bomber as A0, not built as dive bombing program was stopped
Ju188A2 horizontal bomber aircraft as A0 since 1944
Ju188A3 torpedo aircraft as A1, improved E3
Ju188C0 with remote backward Mgs as A1, only prototypes built
Ju188D1/D2 long distance surveyer as A1, built since spring 1944
Ju188E0 initial prototypes with 2 x 1250kW BMW801G2 derivated from Ju88E, 10 built
Hu188E1 as E0 with 2 x 1270 BMW801D2
Ju188E2 torpedo aircraft as E1
Ju188F1/F2 surveyer aircraft as E1 with radar equipment
Ju188G0/G2 bomber aircraft as E1, only prototypes built
Ju188H2 surveyer aircraft as E1, only projected, not built
Ju188J projected destroyer and night fighter with pressured cabin, built as Ju388J
Ju188K projected bomber with pressured cabin, built as Ju388K
Ju188L projected surveyer with pressured cabin, built as Ju388L
Ju188R0 night fighter aircraft, as E1, only prototypes built
Ju188S1 high altitude bomber with 2 x Jumo213E1, only few built
Ju188T1 surveyer aircraft as S1
Ju388 Subtypes:
J-Series (Day and Night Fighter)
Ju388J1 with BMW 801J0 (1330kW, destroyer and night fighter
Ju388J2 with 2 x Jumo 222A/B (1470kW), destroyer and day fighter, also night fighter, projected
Ju388J3 with 2 x Jumo 213D, day and night fighter, no serial production until end of WWII, projected
K-Series (Bomber)
Ju388K1 with BMW801J0 and BMW801G
Ju388K2 with Jumo 222A/B, later also Jumo 222E/F, projected
Ju388K3 with Jumo 213E, projected
L-Series (Surveyer)
Ju388L1 with BMW801J0 and BMW801G, long range surveyer, 3 seats
Ju388L2 with Jumo 222A/B, later Jumo 222E/F, projected
Ju388L3 with Jumo 213E, projected
Ju388M as J with 4 seats in cockpit, torpedo bomber
Ju488 four engined, strategic bomber
