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I'm going to overlook the rest of your last reply without comment. Please don't construe that as acquiescence on my part. Construe it rather as I don't have any more time for that than I'm sure you do.Now with that said you bring up "the period and the suitability of the item to the task at hand." Well look at the logistics required to move armies and supplies AND then have that same "item" to be able to function long after the mission is accomplished, it shows that you not only had a machine that did its job on a daily basis, but participated in critical battles and continued to serve years after their intended use, and that being the C-47. The SDB was a great aircraft and continued to serve long after its greatest hour but no way holds any type of innovative uniqueness or technical advancements that would have given it longevity 60 years after its greatest hour.
Aside from your argument, the success of the SBD at Midway was actually attributed to luck more than anything else. Although I personally don't believe it would have been subjected to the same slaughter that Torpedo 8 was subjected to, it would have been a way different story if the zeros that attacked Waldron's squadron had been at altitude to deal with the SBDs.
Fair enoughI'm going to overlook the rest of your last reply without comment. Please don't construe that as acquiescence on my part. Construe it rather as I don't have any more time for that than I'm sure you do.
On what's left, I acknowledge that entire top paragraph. Can we let that go at, specific to the tasks, there were a number of "period bests?" I'll settle for that.
As to the bottom paragraph, I'm in agreement, there, as well. Or, at least, largely. In fact, calling it "luck," as you do, is probably even to understate it. That torpedo squadron, however, could never have turned that fleet away, so long as the fleet had firepower left, which it had. Those things had to come in too low to the water, and, as such, were hit, many before they could release their "fish" level. That's, principally, why those failed. Speaking of luck, the Navy just so also happened to have had the right stuff on deck to complete the job, in those "Speedy-Ds." Had there been any other planes, there, in lieu of those, I don't believe we'd have turned that fleet back.
Listen, have a good night. I'm bushed.
OK, we're on track. Thanks. The SBD had its moment of glory, let's just call it. BTW, FWIW, before I had even dared so much as to open my mouth in this thread, I had read about 40 pages or so back.All points taken, but in the end to say the SBD was the best aircraft of WW2 is a far stretch based on on where the aircraft was prior to Midway and where it went after. Aside from its layout, construction and systems, it left little in longevity or innovation and its ultimately found itself out to pasture as soon as the war ended as its design was reflective as a norm from a bygone era. The C-47 brought things to the table that made it not only the best aircraft of WW2, but probably of all time.
Making a dive is a skill.
That's cool. But, just as a point of clarification, I wasn't talking about clowning around when I said it takes skill to make a dive. You may qualify that statement with the rest of that paragraph. Heck, the inexperienced, young kids in the Kamikazes could make a dive. I'll add to that, just FYI, that the SBDs were used throughout the War specifically just to train cadets how to do that. The ground had a way of measuring the angles to the horizon on which they came in, and the pilots would get real-time feedback on that. I'll spare you the rest, but I'll say this much, by the Summer of 1944, they were washing out nearly a third of those cadets, right at that stage, where they were dive-bombing on die markers over the Atlantic and Gulf. Eighteen months, right down the chute, just like that. They told them go be sailors. Not that they had anything against sailors...Actually its not - I fly many types of airplanes and I can dive Cessna 150 to an L39. Diving an airplane with a bomb attached to it is a different story but not by much...
You are attaching a flying skill to a specific aircraft. Try flying an aircraft in 1 mile visibility on a landing approach and having an aircraft that could support the best equipment that would enable you to successfully land...
That's my point
Maybe the C-47 was the most important aircraft of WW2 ... but does that make it the best?
Kris
Or, what was the best-built aircraft? They seem to be answering that one, too.Maybe the C-47 was the most important aircraft of WW2 ... but does that make it the best?
Johnbr, who would have been the licensor on that one? I'm afraid I don't understand.The Japan's also had a version of the C47 that was made under licence.
Johnbr, who would have been the licensor on that one? I'm afraid I don't understand.
That's a fascinating tidbit, you guys. Thanks for sharing.Japan purchased a licencing production agreement from Douglas prior to the war commencing. Showa / Nakajima L2D2 "Tabby " was the aircraft.
Maybe the C-47 was the most important aircraft of WW2 ... but does that make it the best?
Kris
The FW190 needed only one control for prop, mixture and throttle which reduced pilot load but may have made formation flying difficult.