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Again you forgot the Top fw 190 ace Kittel in your list !
But its always very difficult to value who was the best pilot ( ok you can count the kills, thats easy ), but maybe a good pilot is a B-17 pilot who brought his flak crippled aircraft back, or the young german fighter pilot at the end of the war with lack of training who started with no chance of return.
Or the pilots of the 332nd FG who fought a war against 2 enemies.
I think its ok to make a poll about the aces, but we shouldnt forget the unnumbered pilots; they fulfilled their duties like the aces, too.
greets
Thomas
Kruska, no problem. Unless, like you say, it might have been a night-fighter. Forgot about that myself. They were bombers like Lancs and Wellingtons, etc. Could be Lent with 102 night and 8 day victories.
Who was your uncle?
Kruska, Did he ever speak to you about his time at the school or about Hartmann? That is a very interesting part of the Luftwaffe.
Hello everyone!
I still go with Hartmann for .......
2. While many disregard his kills in the east as easier, he certainly knew what his job was as a fighter pilot. You know how many Luftwaffe pilots in the BoB saw JaBo- or bomber escort-duties as direct insults because they failed to fully grasp the nature of the war they were fighting. Hartmann's 300+ kills include many Il-2s, the plane that was probably the most dangerous to the men fighting the battles on the ground.
Hartmann was, in my eyes, a very realistic soldier. His views on air combat were based on accomplishing his mission while minimizing the risk to himself and his men. Very straightforward and not as romanticizing as some others.
I think it's really strange that Nowotny didn't make it to round 2. He had 258 confirmed kills in 442 missions!
How some of the more questionable pilots up there made it and he didn't is beyond me.
Not to mention Barkhorn, Rall, Kittel, Batz, Rudorffer, or any of the other German pilots who had more than 200 kills...
In any case, it's nice to see that Hartmann, Marseille, and Baer are the top three in the polls.
They did not make the poll because they did not get eneogh votes. It really is not that hard to understand?
People vote for different reasons than you do. Some people might put more weight on other things other than just how many kills they got.
Sorry but you are not the only authority on who is best...
Why not it ain't just numbers , 99.9% of the time after 41 the Germans were flying over or very near there own lines they weren't tredding deeply into unfamiliar territory and when they did they didn't fare all that well. I would like to know how you rate yourself an expert what qualifications do you have ? have you ever talked to some of these guysNo, I understand the system just fine; that's not the problem here. I'm just expressing my dismay at the results of said poll, that's all. In any case, at least the top three are right.
Two comments:
1. I don't 'just' consider how many kills a pilot got. If that were the case, then clearly I would have voted for Hartmann.
2. You are right when you say that other people put more weight on other things. Unfortunately one of those things seems to be the latitude and longitude of where the pilot was born and grew up.
Are there any serious, professional military historians (a.k.a. 'authorities') who claim that Witold Urbanowicz or Robert S. Johnson or Pappy Boyington or even Buzz Beurling was the best fighter pilot of the war?
Are there *any* authorities on World War II aviation who would NOT include Nowotny in a top ten list of the best pilots of the war?
Why not it ain't just numbers , 99.9% of the time after 41 the Germans were flying over or very near there own lines they weren't tredding deeply into unfamiliar territory and when they did they didn't fare all that well.
I would like to know how you rate yourself an expert what qualifications do you have ? have you ever talked to some of these guys
And the US PTO aces scored allot of kills in superior planes in greater numbers against poorly trained/inexperienced Japanese pilots. (which was usualy the case for the better part of the war)