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Once again read the thread and make a mental note of all the incredulous posts regarding most of your claims, that's the 'we' I'm referring to. This 'crowd' you allude to, who do you think they're here to see - me or you?
Novelty had nothing to do with it, the impact of a deployed nuclear weapon had everything to do with it
Your complete lack of grasp of historical fact is now matched by your complete disregard for the sacrifice of thousands of Commonwealth troops. Who the hell do you think you are that you could make so cavalier a remark wrt the lives lost at Dieppe?How silly of me and how remiss of the allies they should have trotted along from Normandy to relieve Dieppe since they were the same theatre of operations.
Your complete lack of grasp of historical fact is now matched by your complete disregard for the sacrifice of thousands of Commonwealth troops. Who the hell do you think you are that you could make so cavalier a remark wrt the lives lost at Dieppe?
This thread just 'went hot' and I'm standing off until that particular remark is dealt with
You are a buffoon, my error has been to dignify your pathetic circus with responses
I ain't no math wizard but.....there's 27,878,400 sq feet in a square mile, and approx 25,000 square miles in southern England, for a bit under 700 billion square feet. 300 Hurricanes (if they all fired all their ammo, which they didn't) would produce 792,000 bullets and the same amount of cases. Say 1.5 million objects falling from the sky. (if some of those 792,000 bullets happened to get imbedded in a german aircraft we might get one big object falling from the sky, but that would complicate my calculations)
If they could manage to expend all that ammo over a single square mile, there would be one piece of debris for every 18 square feet. That's a light rain, but with a good crew of workers with rakes and shovels you could clean it up if the grass wasn't too tall.
Since the fighting was spread all over southern England, you end up with one piece of debris every 466 billion square feet.
That's a really light rain.
please read my signature quote.
You said Dieppe was in the same theatre of operations not me...now explain why no one went from Normandy to Dieppe.........You are the buffoon who is now demanding your mates get involved over your perceived disrespect
John, one warning - tone it down or I start banning people and close this thread.
As mentioned in an earlier posting the book that gives me the most information on this is the 2nd Tactical Airforce series which gives a day by day account of the 2TAF from begining to end and investigates all losses cross checking where possible from both German and Allied sources.Show me a squadron record that has any mention of friendly fire that is a pilot saying" I shot down one of our own" by your own standards you must be able to find 2% (good luck on that one)
John, one warning - tone it down or I start banning people and close this thread.
...because they'd have been almost two years too late...now explain why no one went from Normandy to Dieppe...
As mentioned in an earlier posting the book that gives me the most information on this is the 2nd Tactical Airforce series which gives a day by day account of the 2TAF from begining to end and investigates all losses cross checking where possible from both German and Allied sources.
To repeat myself the number of blue on blue attacks were more than I expected and I should add it covers those that did not result in any losses. However the number of losses were nothing like 10% This is the basis for me challanging your presumption of 10%
FYI The nearest that I can find to this date in 1944 was on the 26th August when Sgt Menzies of 602 squadron in a Spit IX was attacked by a P47. The RAF were under orders not to defend themselves in these situations but to evade. The P47 was persistant and in the end the Spit ran out of fuel resulting in a crash landing. I went back to the beginning of August but was unable to find another case.
In the book Heaven Next Stop a German pilot shot down one of his own unit and the book decribes his anguish when he went to the senior officer to admit to what had happened.
So in brief, yes examples do exist and if you do some research instead of jumping to conclusions, you can find what you want.
I'm too stupid to know better
It appears John finally delivered concrete and irrefutable facts..I find myself in violent agreement with him (and his new ID) for the first time..