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Bill,
Your alt conditions are fine, although I think we should add SL performance as-well.
As for the P-51H, well this one didn't see service in WW2 and therefore isn't part of the comparison. Also the P-51H is more in the league of the Ta-152H-1, which was the best piston engined fighter to be developed during the war.
But perhaps we should like Kurfurst proposed make a thread with all the late war Über fighters can be compared, such as the Ta-152, Me-262, He-162, P-51H, Meteor, Spitfire 21 etc etc..
so which one has the best climb performance.lee.
[1]Bf-109 K-4
[2]Bf-109 G-10
[4]Fw-190 Dora-9
Chris is busting the chops of a newbie. Funny
I am not busting anybody's chops. If you are going to come in and make the same false statements in every thread that pertains to the subject, then you better back yourself up!
ANd on a similer note, on the 2) condition, it would also be more fair to use the lower fual capacity for the longer range a/c, so use P-51B/C w/out any fuse tank, P-38J w/out LE wing tanks, pre -25 P-47 with earlier 305 gal. capacity. (and these still had longer range than most contemproaries) And probably more fair to be w/out wing racks as well.
Not in my book!
The assertion that the TA152H was the best fighter developed in WW2 once again strikes me as comical. This vaunted AC keeps jumping up in this forum as the "best" without much evidence except paper numbers which may or may not reflect it's true operational capabilities. Let us examine that assertion. My source ,"The Great Book of WW2 Aircraft," has a whole section on the various FW fighters and it states that only a several TA152Hs reached combat units. It was essentially a prototype aircraft purpose built to intercept high flying bombers. It's performance figures showed very high speeds(similar to the P47N) at very high altitudes where little ACM took place. It's low altitude performance was substantially worse(not as good as P51D.) It's armament was obviously fitted for bomber shootdowns(3 cannon) although pilot visibility would probably limit it's ability to use full deflection shots so it would have to, of necessity, stick with headon or rear quarter attacks with the attendent danger of defensive gunfire. It's initial rate of climb, 3345 fpm with boost was good but not exceptional. The 3 cannon armament would not necessarily stand it in good stead in ACM against allied fighters and it of course labored with the handicap of the vulnerable cooling system of the liquid cooled engine. As with most European fighters it was range challenged with a max range clean of 755 miles and 1250 miles with a drop tank. These are yardstick ranges which would probably translate to combat radiuses of perhaps 275 to 400 miles. These were good for an interceptor but not competitive with P51D, P47N, P38L or F4U4. Now let us get away from paper numbers and talk about combat experience. How many kills did the TA152 have? Not many! How many AC did it destroy strafing? Probably none. How many tons of bombs and rockets did it belabor the enemy with? Probably none. How many bombers did it succesfully escort to their targets and back? Probably none. How reliable was it and how many were operational for a certain mission of the AC available? We don't know. What would have been the mission of the TA152 in the Pacific with tropical temperatures, coral landing strips and long distances? Probably very mission limited. How well could the TA152 have executed carrier landings and takeoffs? It could not have done any! The TA152 was essentially an experimental fighter, an elegant looking airplane with seductive performance figures on paper in certain flight regimes. "Best" fighter design in WW2. Not in my book!
Come on renrich, just because the p-51H and F4U-4 had significant performance advantage over the Ta-152H-1 below 25k ft and the P-47M had eqivalent performance