Bf109- eismeer
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It is said that's the Bf 109 G-6 of the IV./JG5 "Eismeer" at Petsamo - Finnland 1943. The pilot unknown.
This is a diecast model isn't it? I haven't seen any image of the Bf 109G. I'm afraid the camo and markings may have nothing in common with the real plane.
This is a diecast model isn't it? I haven't seen any image of the Bf 109G. I'm afraid the camo and markings may have nothing in common with the real plane.
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Yes the box has says German Bf 109G Eismeer..... Finland 1943
It is a die cast model.... tactical number 10 with various other markings present .
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I've seen those polka dots somewhere
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Just went through two Jg.5 books. Lots of winter swirls and splotches, no polka dots
You are correct Geo. Also I have to admit that the diecast models wear the fictional camos and markings often. Additionally IIRC the JG5 in the Norway started used the G-6 at the end of 1943. Earlier they used the F-4, G-2 and Fw 190A. As memory serves there are two images of the " Yellow 10" marked with the disk but without the triangle. However it is said to be the G-2 kite but not the G-6.
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I have seen the polka dots before though. As you say, diecast were all over the place so may have gotten the Jg. wrong
That's possible...
Here the two shots ...
the source: Jagdgeschwader 5
BTW .. the profile of the "Red 10" from the post #1 can be found in the "Augsburg Eagle The Messerschmitt Bf 109" book by William Green, the caption says the Bf 109G-6 of the IV./JG5 at Petsamo Winter 1943/44, the pages 102-103.
Here the two shots ...
the source: Jagdgeschwader 5
BTW .. the profile of the "Red 10" from the post #1 can be found in the "Augsburg Eagle The Messerschmitt Bf 109" book by William Green, the caption says the Bf 109G-6 of the IV./JG5 at Petsamo Winter 1943/44, the pages 102-103.
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....but wait....there's more. No unit though.... https://www.warbirdphotographs.com/...0-with-Unusual-Polka-Dot-Camouflage_15f-s.jpg
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....and when you think that you were specific enough that Google Images couldn't possibly mess it up
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Thanks for all the info
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Thanks for all the info
Also a note here ... the disk at the rear of the fselage is the Gruppe emblem and indicates the IV one. Its colour depended on the Staffel of the Gruppe. The IV Gruppe considted of the 10,11,and 12 Staffel ( 10./JG5, 11./JG5 and 12./JG5). The colours for the squadrons were the white, black and yellow. So no red one at all. Additionally some time ago I found somewhere the info that the "Red 10" was the Stab plane. But again it doesn't seem to be correct because the Jagdgeschwader Stab and the Gruppe Stab used the blue colour but not the red.
And the info found via the net ...
So the only squadron that used the G-6 in 1943 was the 10./JG5. It looks like neither the JG5 Stab nor the Gruppe Stabs were using the Gustav variant.
From memory There were no Red staffel markings on IV Gruppe aircraft, would not have been Green overall either with the white winter cover, would have been Greys 74/75
Interesting photo's of an icy 14799, a Bf 109 G-2 built at WNF in Nov/Dec 1942. Pictured here it is a little weary with most cockpit glazing, head armour and wingtips removed.
The tailwheel is retracted but the main wheels are down/partly down and the prop blades visible are not bent, although it appears to be a bit battered in the flap/cooler area.
My guess is that it was damaged at some stage and is here seen in a partial recovery state that is maybe delayed by winter conditions, the intention being to dismantle it for rail transport to a repair depot.
Of note, the retracted tailwheel is noteworthy. Early G aircraft with the small F type tailwheel could have the tailwheel retraction working. It is possible that aircraft in the field were modified with the F hydraulic tailwheel jack. The G-2 aircraft manual lists the tailwheel as fixed but, the G-2 had the hydraulic piping and tail leg fittings that allowed retraction, and some photo's show a retracted tailwheel on a G-2, like this one.
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