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I don't - having flown in an aircraft that took small arms fire, all you hear is a peppering sound, similar to throwing a hand full of stones at a steel shed. I've heard the same thing from bomber crews as well. The only time you could tell is something really big hit you if there was an actual explosion within the aircraft.I find it difficult to believe that that aircrew would confuse gun/cannon rounds from flak shrapnel.
Hello everyone and thanks for all the posts so far. Just discovered this forum and I am enjoying myself going through the archives!
One of the most interesting points in USAAF vs RAF losses is the losses per shoot down. With the USAAF IIRC it was an average of 3 killed from a crew of 10. The RAF lost between 5 and 6 from a crew of 7.
The difference was caused by the style of fighting. A single cannon shell like the MK108 would take down a day bomber but it would take some time allowing the crew to escape. Nightfighting was about getting into a position unseen by your victim and the RAF bomber would take 20 hits from the infamous pneumatic drill. The crew would stand no chance.
An RAF bomber was the second most dangerous place to be in WWII. Half those who flew died. Only the U-boats suffered worse where 3/4 died. At the worst during Nov 43 to Feb 44 the odds of surviving the 30 mission tour were 1 in 6. Imagine keeping going when your odds were a throw of the dice. That is some bravery.
Hi Gruad and welcome;
Another thing to consider is how well designed USAAF and RAF bomber were regarding crew safety and evacuation in the case of being shot down. I can't remember where (this same forum?) but I read somewhere that RAF bombers were awfully designed regarding crew evacuation and didn't allow for a quick and easy escape, partially explaining the low survival ratio.
The Wellington had a honeycomb structure, the Lancaster did not.Also think about the construction. The Lancasters (among many other RAF bombers) used a honeycomb airframe which would enable the aircraft itself to be VERY hard to down, but the crew members themselves were relatively unprotected barring some 'armored' glass, contrary to this is the B-17, which dedicated a bit more of its weight to protecting crew members with actual armor within key places of the crew compartment.
The Wellington had a honeycomb structure, the Lancaster did not
Wellington was geodetic construction.
I do not know what the difference between geodetic and geodesic is.
Hi Gruad and welcome;
Another thing to consider is how well designed USAAF and RAF bomber were regarding crew safety and evacuation in the case of being shot down. I can't remember where (this same forum?) but I read somewhere that RAF bombers were awfully designed regarding crew evacuation and didn't allow for a quick and easy escape, partially explaining the low survival ratio.
Hello everyone and thanks for all the posts so far. Just discovered this forum and I am enjoying myself going through the archives!
One of the most interesting points in USAAF vs RAF losses is the losses per shoot down. With the USAAF IIRC it was an average of 3 killed from a crew of 10. The RAF lost between 5 and 6 from a crew of 7.
The difference was caused by the style of fighting. A single cannon shell like the MK108 would take down a day bomber but it would take some time allowing the crew to escape. Nightfighting was about getting into a position unseen by your victim and the RAF bomber would take 20 hits from the infamous pneumatic drill. The crew would stand no chance.
An RAF bomber was the second most dangerous place to be in WWII. Half those who flew died. Only the U-boats suffered worse where 3/4 died. At the worst during Nov 43 to Feb 44 the odds of surviving the 30 mission tour were 1 in 6. Imagine keeping going when your odds were a throw of the dice. That is some bravery.
*SNIP*
The safest and most accurate way to bomb would have been from a B17E at night from 33,000 ft using Oboe or the systems that followed it such as micro-H and could guide 50 aircraft at once.