BOMBS PAINTED ON SIDE OF BOMBERS
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Benevolens Magister
Would depend on what type of aircraft, which Air Force, when, and where. Most likely it would mean (during WW2) an operation flown via Russia. Other examples, shown on RAF/RAAF bombers were an ice cream cone, denoting an operation to Italy.
mikewint
Captain
Terry, I got to ask, why in the world an ice cream cone, and why for Italy?
michaelmaltby
Colonel
Italy = gelato, I'm guessing (milk run). On an RAF bomber "R" = Ruhr valley, I'm guessing (tough run).
MM
MM
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a photo of a Lanc with hard to decipher bomb tally:
Bomber Command memorial: The RAF bombers of the Second World War - Telegraph
Plus a similar discussion:
Bomb symbols on Bomber Command aircraft..
And an article on the repainted BBMF Lancaster:
RAF BBMF Lanc gets new markings
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujLVIlESNGE
a photo of a Lanc with hard to decipher bomb tally:
Bomber Command memorial: The RAF bombers of the Second World War - Telegraph
Plus a similar discussion:
Bomb symbols on Bomber Command aircraft..
And an article on the repainted BBMF Lancaster:
RAF BBMF Lanc gets new markings
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Benevolens Magister
Yep. In the UK at that time, Italy was associated with Italians in Britain, pre-war, running ice cream shops. A run to Milan or Turin, was considered a 'milk run', to an extent, so, rather than show a bomb on the mission tally, an ice cream cone was often used.
I haven't heard of a 'R' being used to denote a Ruhr target - and the majority of targets were in the Ruhr anyway. Without seeing the symbol - and the nationality of aircraft and Air Force - I would guess that a star and 'R' combination would mean a 'shuttle' mission, either by USAAF or RAF Bomber Command, where a landing was made in Russia, for example at Yagodnik, before returning, via another target, to the UK (or Italy if 15th USAAF or MEAF).
Of course, again depending on the aircraft in question etc, it could be related to something specific to the unit/aircraft involved.
I haven't heard of a 'R' being used to denote a Ruhr target - and the majority of targets were in the Ruhr anyway. Without seeing the symbol - and the nationality of aircraft and Air Force - I would guess that a star and 'R' combination would mean a 'shuttle' mission, either by USAAF or RAF Bomber Command, where a landing was made in Russia, for example at Yagodnik, before returning, via another target, to the UK (or Italy if 15th USAAF or MEAF).
Of course, again depending on the aircraft in question etc, it could be related to something specific to the unit/aircraft involved.
Yeah, you often see British and Commonwealth pilots refer to the Italian fliers as 'Ice Cream Merchants'.
Kind of as if - today for instance - we fought a war with India and dismissively called them '7-Eleven Clerks' and painted Slurpees on the sides of our aircraft.
Kind of as if - today for instance - we fought a war with India and dismissively called them '7-Eleven Clerks' and painted Slurpees on the sides of our aircraft.
mikewint
Captain
Terry, et al, thanks, makes sense now
A4K
Brigadier General
With Terry. Really depends which Air force, unit or sometimes individual aircraft, and when and where...
RAF bombers for example mostly used yellow bombs to denote missions, but not always. Sometimes white bombs were used to denote milk runs, sometimes personal symbols, either as preferred by the pilot and/or crew, or in connection to the aircraft's code letter. Ventura EG-B ('B-Beer') had beer bottles, for example.
RAF bombers for example mostly used yellow bombs to denote missions, but not always. Sometimes white bombs were used to denote milk runs, sometimes personal symbols, either as preferred by the pilot and/or crew, or in connection to the aircraft's code letter. Ventura EG-B ('B-Beer') had beer bottles, for example.
stug3
Staff Sergeant
'Pinocchio', a veteran Halifax of No 102 Squadron at Pocklington, has the bomb symbol for its 26th operation painted on its fuselage by a member of the ground crew, April 1943. The ice cream cornets represent raids on Italian targets and the key indicates the aircraft's 21st operation.
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Benevolens Magister
Great example, thanks for posting.
Njaco
The Pop-Tart Whisperer
"R" might also be for 'Rhubard" or 'Rodeo"? Yes? or some similar named bomber type mission?
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Benevolens Magister
Well 'Rhubarb' was a fighter op, normally, but not always, in pairs, at low level in marginal weather conditions (hence the name 'Rhubarb', as in 'down among the rhubarb').
'Rodeo' was a day bomber op, with a relatively small bomber formation, escorted by a heavier fighter prescence, the aim being to bring up the Luftwaffe fighters.
Those day-bomber squadrons involved which did paint ops symbols, Mitchels, Bostons etc. tended to just stick with the 'standard' bomb logo.
I think the combination of a star, with a letter 'R', most probably indicated a trip via Russia. Although I can't state this as a certainty, it seems to me to be the most likely reason.
'Rodeo' was a day bomber op, with a relatively small bomber formation, escorted by a heavier fighter prescence, the aim being to bring up the Luftwaffe fighters.
Those day-bomber squadrons involved which did paint ops symbols, Mitchels, Bostons etc. tended to just stick with the 'standard' bomb logo.
I think the combination of a star, with a letter 'R', most probably indicated a trip via Russia. Although I can't state this as a certainty, it seems to me to be the most likely reason.
