Brits Dump F-35B STOVL for Naval F-35C

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  1. Matt308

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    Another nail in the coffin for the STOVL F-35B. Now only the US Marines are interested in this version.

    UK has announced HUGE MoD cuts recently that include elimination of the F-35B in favor of the more "leggy" F-35C with greater ordnance capability. This coupled with scrapping naval carriers and landing ships is seen as a huge reduction in defensive margins for our UK allies.

    DailyTech - UK to Move from F-35B (STOVL) to F-35C Fighters

    I wish I had access to my Aviation Week article that provided more detailed information, but unfortunately I only have a hard copy subscription.
     
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    Well, can't say that's not too surprising.
     
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    I know the 35B test program has had some issues, the A seems to be going well, but in light of the UK's monetary problems, this doesn't surprise me.
     
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    I'm all in favour of this decision. The vacillation between CTOL and STOVL versions of the F-35, and the associated faffing with a "convertible" carrier design has been a collossal waste of taxpayers' money. CTOL has longer range/endurance, better payload and less complexity. These are all good things when you have limited resources and are sitting on a flat-top in the middle of the oggin (ocean for those who don't speak my version of English).
     
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    Nope. But interesting. I read the original article in my personal subscription to the old school hardcopy AvWeek. I'm sure I have an electronic version available to me, but have not taken advantage of it nor know how.
     
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    That's the one. Thanks buddy.
     
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    That's nothing. In 2015 the UK will be replacing their entire armed forces with a large white flag.
     
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    Perhaps the scrapping of the Sea Harrier was a tad premature
     
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    Perhaps. Scrapping the GR7s certainly is premature.
     
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    #12 CharlesBronson, Oct 28, 2010
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    It seems they are aiming to put in service an steam catapult carrier again.
     
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    Apparently. According to AvWeek the UK will now field 1 conventional carrier with F-35Cs.
     
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    I think the wording of the official announcement is unclear. There will be a transition period as the F-35 enters service and the 2 carriers migrate from being entirely helicopter-equipped to true mixed-platform multi-role vessels. In that case, one carrier will re-equip ahead of the second based on operational commitments, refit cycles etc. However, I do not believe the announcement is intended to mean that only one carrier will be fitted with catapults and F-35s because that's not a sustainable capability. The UK would lose it's afloat F-35 capability when that one vessel was in refit and the whole rationale for 2 carriers was to sustain operational effectiveness taking account of periods when the vessels need to be in port.
     
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    I cannot conceive any situation where these would be needed or used, one carrier wouldnt make any substantial difference to a joint force with the USA, one carrier alone could achieve very little. Perhaps as part of a European force it makes sense but then you need to get over a dozen nations to agree on a major issue when they rarely agree on a minor one.

    35 aircraft is just too small and the total cost of ships and planes means they are unlikely to be risked
     
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    The UK's military doesn't make a substantial contribution to US military deployments today - witness the relative ease with which the US moved into areas of Afghanistan that had previously been the bailiwick of the British Army. The purpose of a carrier is force projection without the need to rely on host-nation support, and there are lots of use-cases for that type of operation - non-combatant evacuation operations, special forces (eg Sierra Leone in recent history), anti-piracy or counter-drug ops etc.
     
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    That was the point I was making. Small submarines are becoming ever more capamle and available even for the tourist industry. One suicide bomber in a midget sub could sink or disable a carrier.

    Force projection is a political theory that seems to forget disasters like Suez, Germany gets on just fine without projecting force anywhere.
     
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    A carrier quite useful unfortunately is not made for economical purposes, I think sometimes the people who said the aircraft carriers are white elephants is just to feel good about the fact we/they dont have any.

    A video for the nostalgic britons:

    Selected Original - HMS EAGLE - British Pathe
     
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    I suppose the second one will be flogged to India or used as a gate guardian at Portsmouth...
     
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    I am half expecting a country to make a bid for the ones we have. They are up to date with regular upgrades and we have a bunch of recently enhanced Harriers going for a good price.
     
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