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By 7 Dec 2041 Japan may feel compelled to take preemptive action.They've been encroaching of Japan's territorial waters, too.
I think it's only a matter of time before a PLAN CSG sails beyond the Indo-Pacific. As I tried to discuss here before hitting a Mod wall.This is now a regular feature of PLAN operations. It is at least the 4th time the carrier Liaoning and supporting ships have deployed
I think it's only a matter of time before a PLAN CSG sails beyond the Indo-Pacific. As I tried to discuss here before hitting a Mod wall.
It would be interesting to see how a PLAN CSG global tour would go. China remembers the 1907-09 Great White Fleet, where the US wanted to show to naval great powers of the day that the USN had arrived. China feels that same way today, with the largest navy in the world, but garnering no respect.Of course they will. They're in expansionist mode, and now that the Belt-and-Road Initiative is showing up to be not so successful, they will have to revert to shows of force.
It would be interesting to see how a PLAN CSG global tour would go. China remembers the 1907-09 Great White Fleet, where the US wanted to show to naval great powers of the day that the USN had arrived. China feels that same way today, with the largest navy in the world, but garnering no respect.
If I were China, I would wait until their carrier, Fujian is fully worked up, likely by end of 2025. Then in summer 2026, the carrier along with a mix of of China's latest Renhai-class and Luyang-class destroyers and at least one Shang-class SSN, plus two or three Fuyu-class fast CSS will set sail for a global cruise. China to Chile and Peru, Panama Canal to Venezuela, then Cuba, followed by Morocco, then St. Petersburg, then around to the Mediterranean to Egypt and Turkey, with single ships entering the Black Sea to visit Georgia and Bulgaria. Finally down the Suez to China's base at Djibouti followed by visits to Sri Lanka and Pakistan, and then a stop at China's new base in the Solomons before home again.
I very much doubt they will be capable of using the Panama Canal. While the new locks are capable of taking the claimed waterline hull width of Fujian the large overhanging sponsors need taken into account. They would overhang the lock walls and in all probability catch on the sides as the water was pumped in/out. Besides, even if possible, would the Chinese really want to deliver the spying opportunity for western intelligence agencies to get that close? a look at her?It would be interesting to see how a PLAN CSG global tour would go. China remembers the 1907-09 Great White Fleet, where the US wanted to show to naval great powers of the day that the USN had arrived. China feels that same way today, with the largest navy in the world, but garnering no respect.
If I were China, I would wait until their carrier, Fujian is fully worked up, likely by end of 2025. Then in summer 2026, the carrier along with a mix of of China's latest Renhai-class and Luyang-class destroyers and at least one Shang-class SSN, plus two or three Fuyu-class fast CSS will set sail for a global cruise. China to Chile and Peru, Panama Canal to Venezuela, then Cuba, followed by Morocco, then St. Petersburg, then around to the Mediterranean to Egypt and Turkey, with single ships entering the Black Sea to visit Georgia and Bulgaria. Finally down the Suez to China's base at Djibouti followed by visits to Sri Lanka and Pakistan, and then a stop at China's new base in the Solomons before home again.
Rodey King asked the same. But we haven't had a global war in seventy-eight years. Regional spats aside, I'd say we are for the most part getting along....why can't people just get along.
True, good point. Alrighty. Our PLAN CSG route could be:I very much doubt they will be capable of using the Panama Canal.
The carrier is not going into the Black Sea under any circumstances. It would exceed the tonnage limits for non-Black Sea entering that Sea under the terms of the Montreaux Convention. They could detach smaller vessels to do that.True, good point. Alrighty. Our PLAN CSG route could be:
I was thinking of how to include the PLAN base in Equatorial Guinea, but given the purpose of this global deployment is to showcase the strength of the PLAN and China, there's no point in showing the flag off Equatorial Guinea.
- China to Ecuador (big presence), Peru and Chile
- Around Cape Horn, visit to Argentina, Brazil and Venezuela
- Assuming the Ukraine was is over; into the Baltic and St. Petersburg, or through the English Channel and to Murmansk.
- Morocco to refuel, then Egypt and Turkey, and if the Ukraine war is over; Georgia and Bulgaria
- Suez to the PLAN base in Djibouti
- Sri Lanka and Pakistan and Solomons
- Return to China
Yes, I didn't mean the carrier. More like a single PLAN destroyer would enter the Black Sea to make a short visit.The carrier is not going into the Black Sea under any circumstances. It would exceed the tonnage limits for non-Black Sea entering that Sea under the terms of the Montreaux Convention. They could detach smaller vessels to do that.
It is interesting that the only carrier I've ever heard of transiting the Bosporus, the out of commission, uncompleted Varag (arguably stolen from Ukraine) is now serving in the PLAN as the Liaoning....then around to the Mediterranean to Egypt and Turkey, with single ships entering the Black Sea to visit Georgia and Bulgaria.
Interesting comment, I relocated after the riots, I watched LA burn from the top of the hospital I worked at. I do agree with you.Rodey King asked the same. But we haven't had a global war in seventy-eight years. Regional spats aside, I'd say we are for the most part getting along.
That said, humans and their tribalism are always fighting, it's our nature. When we think back to the Pax Britannica, that supposed hundred years of global peace between the end of the Napoleonic War and the beginning of the First World War, the age was actually filled with regional conflicts, such as the US Civil War, the Crimean War, Boer War, War of Greek Independence, Mexican-American War, Spanish-American War, the Russo-Japanese War, a series of South American wars, and perhaps the most impacting upon the first half of the 20th Century; the 1870-71 Franco-German War.