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I'm not going to hijack this thread but I sense the same undercurrent that you do. In my pre-retirement former life as a technology exec this was only a tendril of random firing neurons as recently as the early 1990's. Never heard it in Army but saw little facets in the riots of the 60's
Ruby Ridge and Waco and Oklahoma City, combined with serious attempts by hard core, dedicated groups and Congress to first eliminate everything except single shot and double barrel shotguns - later watered down in 1995 GCA got a LOT of campfire and country coffee shop discussions that I had never heard before.
The extreme hatred by the 'other groups' (whichever they may be, but similar to daily Kos and Moveon.org) against political beliefs that don't align with their own, the incredible rise of gang membership and violence, the situation in the inner cities in which the turf wars are increasing every day and are racially polarized.
External threats in the form of dedicated teams of killers, and citizen agents 'of change' are growing in my opinion, left and right. Obama's friend Bill Ayeres comes to mind as a potentially 'unreformed' type to think about as we look at associations.
We can take this somewhere else, but "I ain't dismissing your words, Son" and the observations and awareness of a storm brewing actually made our decision when we picked a pretty self sufficient ranch in way SW Oregon - where the family trees are pretty much a straight line. Texas is only place I would go back to - and NEVER in a city anywhere, anymore.
Am I convinced? No.
It's wierd but I heard about this too. And I'm not very politically active. Heard people were watching the Supreme Court and the way it voted on the Gun Law in DC. It caught me off guard. I knew there were (and are) plenty of people who are unhappy with the way the US is going. Both from a political lean and fiscal irresponsibility perspective.
Sorry to hijack the thread again but it seems there were parts of this country who were considering a different vote on the gun law as the last straw. Not to say civil war or anything like that. But not shiny, happy people either.
Actually the British lost. I know this because all the history books said so. Without going into a history lesson, we are the United States of America! Do your
-------------------------------------------------------------------------Could they or not? What were the final deciding factors ?
We have had nearly no discussions on this issue, except one VERY long ago (which was very interesting).
---------------------------------------------------------------------I think what did the British in was the battle of Cowpens and Cornwallis' insistence in chasing down Daniel Morgan after that battle - in layman's terms he pissed away his advantage.
If Cowpens never happened I think the British could of eventually won.
Actually the British lost. I know this because all the history books said so. Without going into a history lesson, we are the United States of America! Do your
-------------------------------------------------------------------You should obviously go back toand learn how to read. As syscom pointed out, if you had done so you would not have jumped into this thread with such a post.
Way to go!
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I'm sorry, you're right. I thought I did better with the next two replys!
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I'm sorry, but that's partly incorrect. Cornwallis wasn't chasing Brigadier Gen. Daniel Morgan, he was chasing Major Gen. Nathanael Greene. It was Lt. Colonel Banastre Tarleton who was chasing Morgan and ran right into Morgan's trap at Cowpens.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------And Tarleton was under whose command???!!!!
"The Battle of Cowpens was fought on January 17, 1781, during the Southern campaign of the American Revolutionary War and was an overwhelming victory by American Revolutionary forces under Brigadier General Daniel Morgan. It was a turning point in the reconquest of South Carolina from the British, and went down in history as the great American tactical masterpiece of the war."
Next time read the whole thread and don't try to nit-pick something that isn't there. Now please refer to the photo below and sit down!
It was fun - now as I said go sit in the corner....So take Morgan's Hemorrhoids and your dunce cap and sit on them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wow this is fun huh?
The French didn't come into the war until the British army under general Burgoyne was defeated and captured at Saratoga in 1777. ................................The French came into the war in 1778.
Well, I'm late to this discussion as I'm in between grueling business trips, and all my books are still packed away since the house was remodeled, so i'll keep it brief as I'm exhausted.
The French had been providing secret aid to the Colonials for quite some time before actually making an official entry into the AWI. Money, muskets, and gunpowder were all covertly sent to the Colonists thanks to the efforts of people like Benjamin Franklin and Silas Deane. In all of the 13 Colonies, there was only one or two makers of gunpowder supllying the Continental Army and the various militias, only a fraction of what Washington needed. There is strong evidence indicating many of the American forces at Saratoga were using the French powders, and also many of them carried French muskets, which in turn helped to dispense the various muskets of different calibers being used beforehand.
Needless to say, the money France sent was invaluable in more than one way, since Washington's army could shrink or swell in numbers on any given day. He had to keep his army together and promising land west of the Appalachains wasn't going to motivate many of them to fight. I think it's important to remember, that many of the colonials at the time, especially those in the cities and towns were still for the most part, pro-Tory. In fact. even Washington and many of his generals still felt allegiance to the British crown even well after the rebellion began. I think the notion that the AWI was a widespread and popular rebellion from the onset is something of a school text book myth. I think that only after Saratoga, did the people begin to learn of the details and exploits of Colonial armies and support the revolution. It was then that the actions of the men and generals become famous and thus the many legends were born.
There were several mistakes the British made during the AWI, but in my opinion, the worse was their offer of freedom to the slaves in the South, a decision that turned an otherwise indifferent and even pro-Tory population dead-set against them. This set off all kinds of pro-tory and pro-independence militia actions in isolated areas of the south, most often with intense brutality and savagery. Some of the stuff I've read makes the Hatfield and McCoy battles look like Sunday picnics. I think had the British left the South alone, the war would have been fought almost entirely in the North. By opening a front in the South, everything began to unravel and the British soon lost control of the fighting. This was favorable to Washington dictating where battles would be fought in the future.
Most interesting to me is that when France entered the fray, there were battles between French and British forces in various locations around the world. One could conclude that the AWI was in fact a world war, the first of it's kind. And what if the British had won? Would there have been a "Commonwealth of America", or one very large Canada? I don't think the word "United" would have been allowed, given it has an independent connotation. What would have been the name of this new and large British colony? Had the continent remained British, would the South have given up it's slaves when the UK outlawed it? Maybe it isn't too far fetched to think that there could have been a war of independence between the Independence-minded South and the Commonwealth North.
One thing is certain: whether it was France or any other nation capable of sending large amounts of weapons and monies, the AWI would have been lost without this kind of foreign aid.
Still might happen...