Chief said:
The movie is so fake. It is just a hollywood version of the real story. In reality it was the British not the US that captured that sub. Now everyone thinks it was the US and it is just hollywood.
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The movie is so fake. It is just a hollywood version of the real story. In reality it was the British not the US that captured that sub. Now everyone thinks it was the US and it is just hollywood.
syscom3
Pacific Historian
The U-505 was captured in June 1944 by the escort carrier "USS Guadalcanal".
It was the USN, not RN who captured it.
Today its safely entombed at the Museum of Science and Technology in Chicago.
USS Gaudalcanal Story
U-505 Submarine at the Museum of Science and Industry
It was the USN, not RN who captured it.
Today its safely entombed at the Museum of Science and Technology in Chicago.
USS Gaudalcanal Story
U-505 Submarine at the Museum of Science and Industry
pbfoot
1st Lieutenant
Here is a link to capatured U boats I believe uboat.net - Articles
but a synoposis is
May 9 1941 U110 captured by HMS Bulldog and Broadway along with the Enigma
Aug 23 1941 U 570 captured by Hudsons and Catalinas folowed by rhe trawlers HMS Kingston Agate,Nothern Chief, Windermere, Wastwater Destroyers HMS Burwell and HMCS Niagara
Mar 6 1944 U744 captured by HMCS Chilliwack
Jun 4 1944 U505 captured by USS Gaudalcanal (carrier) and destroyers USS Pillsbury,Pope, Flaherty ,Jenks and Chatelain
but a synoposis is
May 9 1941 U110 captured by HMS Bulldog and Broadway along with the Enigma
Aug 23 1941 U 570 captured by Hudsons and Catalinas folowed by rhe trawlers HMS Kingston Agate,Nothern Chief, Windermere, Wastwater Destroyers HMS Burwell and HMCS Niagara
Mar 6 1944 U744 captured by HMCS Chilliwack
Jun 4 1944 U505 captured by USS Gaudalcanal (carrier) and destroyers USS Pillsbury,Pope, Flaherty ,Jenks and Chatelain
syscom3 said:
Yes but the first U-Boot that was captured with the enigma and the one that this story is going off (read the interviews with the dirctor and he tells you that it is based off of the U-110 enigma story. U-571 is not about the capture of U-505.
Vassili Zaitzev
Master Sergeant
I saw Das boot awhile ago on HBO, I liked even though I only saw the last 15 minutes of it.
Exactly. U-571 is about capturing the first enigma with an U-Boot and that was done by the RN not by the US Navy.
davparlr
Senior Master Sergeant
syscom3 said:
The way I understood it, the commander of the US task force that captured the sub was specifically ordered not to take German submarine but to sink each one after the crew was removed. This was to protect the enigma that had already been captured. If the Germans had learned we had captured the sub, they would probably have changed their codes. After capture the crew and sub was held incognito. If this is true, the commander should have been court marshalled.
The reason that Das Boot is so good is that the writer, Lothar-Günther Buchheim, served in U-Boats as a propaganda photographer. Wolfgang Petersen kept very closely to the book so the degree of realism is very high.
U-571 was yet another fiction perpretrated by Hollywood to show the the "Good Ol' US of A" won WW2 all by itself and Britain was just a little jumping off point into Europe. U-571 was condemmed by British film critics for exactly that reason (sorry chaps....rant mode over now )
I would like to say though that my mothers uncle tried to volunteer for service on RN submarines, but he couldn't get permission from his mother because he was too young at age 17 (I think that the minimum age that you could be without getting parental permission was 21). I think that he was assigned to corvette duties in the North Atlantic and Polar convoy duties.
My grandfather served on armed trawlers for the majority of WW2. Armed trawlers had the highest proportional losses of any British arm of service.
(By the way Eagle, nice signature)
U-571 was yet another fiction perpretrated by Hollywood to show the the "Good Ol' US of A" won WW2 all by itself and Britain was just a little jumping off point into Europe. U-571 was condemmed by British film critics for exactly that reason (sorry chaps....rant mode over now
)I would like to say though that my mothers uncle tried to volunteer for service on RN submarines, but he couldn't get permission from his mother because he was too young at age 17 (I think that the minimum age that you could be without getting parental permission was 21). I think that he was assigned to corvette duties in the North Atlantic and Polar convoy duties.
My grandfather served on armed trawlers for the majority of WW2. Armed trawlers had the highest proportional losses of any British arm of service.
(By the way Eagle, nice signature)
daishi12 said:
Exactly. It is by far the best sub movie ever and in my opinion possibly the best war movie ever.
daishi12 said:
Thanks, blutwurst made it for me.
davparlr
Senior Master Sergeant
I agree and I am an American. When I saw it, I was very disappointed in the flagrant violation of historical data. However, with the growing audience of Europe and the rest of the world, movie makers are starting to be less America centric movies and are now considering the world wide audiences. Of course that doesn't mean that they will be historically correct. Pearl Harbor was another movie that took liberties with history (not so bad), but I still enjoyed the movie.daishi12 said:U-571 was yet another fiction perpretrated by Hollywood to show the the "Good Ol' US of A" won WW2 all by itself and Britain was just a little jumping off point into Europe. U-571 was condemmed by British film critics for exactly that reason (sorry chaps....rant mode over now
Agreed Dave, I just hope it gets more better. I am so afraid that the new Dambusters will be made Americanized even thought it is an RAF story. I am sure there will be a USAAF pilot in there somewhere...
By the way here is a picture I took of an Enigma when I was in Paris a few weekends ago.
By the way here is a picture I took of an Enigma when I was in Paris a few weekends ago.
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davparlr
Senior Master Sergeant
DerAdlerIstGelandet said:
By appealing to nationalism, movie makers do not have exhibit creativity and talent, so I suspect you are right to be worried. I will accept side stories that are fictional (it has to please my wife who like romance) but the basic history should be as correct as possible. "Enemy at the Gates" was a great movie with a fictional side plot.
As for the Enigma machine, I wonder how much longer and bloodier the war would have been if it had not been for the eggheads in crypto. Kudos to the Brit, Pole, and American codebreakers for outstanding work.
davparlr
Senior Master Sergeant
That's all part of the game. Actually, early Enigma machines were available on the open market. They were not military units however. I read a little about the breaking of the Enigma code. It actually started in the early 30s by the Poles. It is interesting but generally gives me a headache.
While I hope there isn't a a USAAF pilot, an American pilot in the Squadron would be quite acceptable, if only for the sake of historical accuracyDerAdlerIstGelandet said:
Wing Commander Joe McCarthy, DSO, DFC and Two Bars
That is different because that is historical accuracy there. What we are talking about is making the whole squadron American crews and what not which hollywood has a habit of doing.
Well not really whole squadrons but basically make the story to be that it was not the British or what not that basically planned and carried out the mission.
Well not really whole squadrons but basically make the story to be that it was not the British or what not that basically planned and carried out the mission.
davparlr
Senior Master Sergeant
DerAdlerIstGelandet said:
I agree wholeheartedly!!
