Difference between G and K model Bf.109

Wurger · Nov 27, 2011

Ratsel said:
Hello Wurger,

Are you sure the G-10 ([5F]Black 12) is not an R-5? I though all G-10 recon would be R-5 (no MG131's). R2 would indicate either 4 x 23kg bomb, 4 x 50kg bomb, or 2 x Wfr.Gr.21 Mortars. I am unaware of any 'normal' G-10 with Nahaufklärungs gruppe 14. If there were, it would not carry the prefix iirc.

According to Kagero book about Bf109G/K and another one of another publisher the plane was G-10/R2. The R2 variant had no MG131s mounted and was equipped with Rb 50/30 or Rb 75/30 camera. But it might be just a typo.

Ratsel · Nov 27, 2011

Also, most bad weather 109's had an autopilot just for the rudder iirc.

Wurger said:
According to Kagero book about Bf109G/K and another one of another publisher the plane was G-10/R2. The R2 variant had no MG131s mounted and was equipped with Rb 50/30 or Rb 75/30 camera.

I think they made a mistake

Sagittario64 · Nov 27, 2011

Is it possible, that the 109 captured was painted in its captor's colors, and for some reason they tried to repaint it's original markings and they got the code messed up?
its a stupid suggestion but im just trying to help

Wurger · Nov 27, 2011

Ratsel said:
I think they made a mistake

It's possible. Especially that there are other mistakes in the Kagero publications quite often.

Ratsel · Nov 27, 2011

Yes those Kagero publications should be taken with a grain of salt.

Denniss · Nov 27, 2011

The MK 108 was not a standard equipment in WNF-built G-6 as they built 1159 vanilla G-6 and at least 1632 G-6/U4 (/U4 is the designation for MK 108-equipped 109G). Somewhere in late 1943 WNF completely switched to the /U4 subtype so a MK 108 was not surprising then.
The MK 108 was neither standard in the G-14 nor the G-10, both would carry the /U4 designation. It wouldn't be a surprise if WNF continued building G-10 and G-14 as /U4 variant although wasting it for a recon bird is indeed surprising.
Some 30+ /U4 variants were built in Hungary as well.

Ratsel · Nov 27, 2011

Precise information is like gold.. you've enriched my mind! Thanks!

Sagittario64 · Nov 28, 2011

I thank you as well, Denniss

Ratsel · Nov 30, 2011

Denniss said:
The MK 108 was not a standard equipment in WNF-built G-6 as they built 1159 vanilla G-6 and at least 1632 G-6/U4 (/U4 is the designation for MK 108-equipped 109G). Somewhere in late 1943 WNF completely switched to the /U4 subtype so a MK 108 was not surprising then.
The MK 108 was neither standard in the G-14 nor the G-10, both would carry the /U4 designation. It wouldn't be a surprise if WNF continued building G-10 and G-14 as /U4 variant although wasting it for a recon bird is indeed surprising.
Some 30+ /U4 variants were built in Hungary as well.

And interesting side note is that alot of G-5/AS G-6/AS came with the 3cm cannon. Makes sence do to ther High-Altitude Bomber-Interceptor role. Besides Erla-Antwerp, was there another factory that did AS conversions on G-5/G-6? Thanks.

Denniss · Nov 30, 2011

If my memory serves right then the /AS machines were used as top cover for the cannon boats with the aim to lurk the enemy fighters away from them.

Ratsel · Nov 30, 2011

Denniss said:
If my memory serves right then the /AS machines were used as top cover for the cannon boats with the aim to lurk the enemy fighters away from them.

100% correct.. I just clump it into the viermot-toters intercept role.

kettbo · Dec 1, 2011

The pale gray blue planes pictured at Fassburg white 43 + -
I thought everything was sent East after Bodenplatte yet High Escort in 1945
Who was left trying to harass the bombers and all the Allied fighters?
If the /AS planes mostly had 30mm mk 108, I keep hearing stuff this was not a good weapon for fighter vs fighter yet here we have the special escort planes with the big low velocity 30mm

FWIW, I really enjoyed shooting the 40mm Mk-19 Grenade Machine Gun when I was in the Army. Looks much like a Mk 108

Wildsau · Jun 20, 2021

I can't contribute here but what a great read! cheers

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