Do we need bigger amphibian water bombers? (4 Viewers)

[Admiral Beez]

View: https://globalnews.ca/video/10709896/demand-for-canadian-made-water-bombers-on-the-rise

De Havilland Aircraft of Canada Limited must have full order books for the Canadair CL-415/515, but the production rate is less than a half dozen aircraft annually.

De Havilland Canadair 515 - De Havilland Canada

Building on the exceptional operational capability of the CL-415, this next generation aircraft offers significant benefits to operators, including design changes that incorporate new materials, and corrosion protection to reduce maintenance costs.

dehavilland.com

De Havilland preparing to move DHC-515 Firefighter into production phase - Skies Mag

While De Havilland is still working to complete contracts with launch customers for the DHC-515, it has started manufacturing parts in Victoria, B.C.

skiesmag.com

Perhaps a competitor in this class of compact, flying-boat water bombers is needed? But beyond the Japanese ShinMaywa US-2 there's no other flying boat of this size in production in the West. The better option might be for another larger manufacturer to license-build the CL-515.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

This was in my feed this morning:


Cal Fire will receive two more CL-415 Super Scoopers from a Canadian non-profit to replace the one damaged Thursday by a drone strike as it was fighting the Palisades Fire, The War Zone has learned. This will take the total force of Super Scoopers currently available to Cal Fire from one to three. In addition, it is hoped that the aircraft, which has a hole in its left wing, will be back on line by early next week. The appearance of the drone in the firefighting area, despite restrictions, temporarily grounded all firefighting aircraft working that fire, as The War Zone was the first to report.

"The new planes will be sent in the middle of next week if the weather is good for flying," Stephane Caron, spokesman for the Quebec-based SOPFEU non-profit, told us on Friday. At issue, he said, are the winds and snow often present in Canada during this time of year that can often keep aircraft grounded. The organization has eight CL-415s and six older CL-215s, Caron explained.

Two More CL-415 Super Scoopers On The Way To Fight Palisades Fire After One Damaged By Drone

Officials hope the aircraft hit by the drone will be repaired and ready to fly again early next week.

www.twz.com

 

[Admiral Beez]

This will take the total force of Super Scoopers currently available to Cal Fire from one to three.

Three? For the worst urban fire disaster to hit North America since San Francisco fire of 1906? During the 2016 Fort McMurray wildfire in Alberta, Canada, there were 14 water bombers deployed to help fight the fire. We have over sixty operational CL-415s or upgraded CL-215s in Canada. The country is covered in snow or rain until at least April, so I'd like to see Canada send a dozen aircraft to LA asap. Let's go.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvPF4W56cXk

 

[SaparotRob]

No argument there.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

Three? For the worst urban fire disaster to hit North America since San Francisco fire of 1906? During the 2016 Fort McMurray wildfire in Alberta, Canada, there were 14 water bombers deployed to help fight the fire. We have over sixty operational CL-415s or upgraded CL-215s in Canada. The country is covered in snow or rain until at least April, so I'd like to see Canada send a dozen aircraft to LA asap. Let's go.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvPF4W56cXk

The USAF has activated 8 ANG C-130s with MAFFS fitouts as well. The Canadian planes are't the only ones fighting fire.

 

[Snowman]

The USAF has activated 8 ANG C-130s with MAFFS fitouts as well. The Canadian planes are't the only ones fighting fire.

Air Force Firefighting C-130s Activated for LA Blaze

Eight Air Force firefighting C-130s will fly to southern California this weekend to help fight the wildfires scorching Los Angeles.

www.airandspaceforces.com

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

Air Force Firefighting C-130s Activated for LA Blaze

Eight Air Force firefighting C-130s will fly to southern California this weekend to help fight the wildfires scorching Los Angeles.

www.airandspaceforces.com

Right. I used to live near Mugu, and have seen these in action 2006 (?). They're badasses.

 

[Admiral Beez]

The USAF has activated 8 ANG C-130s with MAFFS fitouts as well. The Canadian planes are't the only ones fighting fire.

I still remember that private C-130 firefighter that crashed. I hope the ANG birds are well maintained.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

I still remember that private C-130 firefighter that crashed. I hope the ANG birds are well maintained.

Of course they are. They're newer builds as well.

 

[bf109xxl]

I suggest making the water bomber supersonic. This would drastically reduce the delivery time of water from the ocean to anywhere in the US.

 

[Snowman]

Watch an Air Force C-130 Crew Fly Low to Fight LA Fire

A new video gives viewers a taste of what it’s like for C-130 firefighting crews trying to hold back the massive fire in Los Angeles.

www.airandspaceforces.com

 

[Dimlee]

Given the wildfires across Canada and the US, does North America need an amphibious water bomber larger than the twin-engine Canadair CL-215/415?

The Russians, for example have the much larger Beriev Be-200 and the Chinese the AVIC AG600M, while Japan is proposing a water bomber variant of their ShinMaywa US-2. The later two of these larger water bombers are four engined.

Japan's ShinMaywa floats fire-fighting US-2 amphibian

Japan's ShinMaywa Industries has unveiled specifications for a fire-fighting variant...

www.flightglobal.com

So, what is the answer to the Admiral's question today? Yes?

 

[bf109xxl]

So, what is the answer to the Admiral's question today? Yes?

The right answer to admiral's question is "yes, sir!".