Draft May Be Restarted In Germany

[MIflyer]

From MSN:

"In Germany, mandatory military conscription is proposed to be reinstated. Defense Minister Boris Pistorius has instructed to develop a model of military service by April 1, aimed at enhancing the country's resilience, reports Der Spiegel."

"According to the material, the minister plans to reintroduce military service by autumn 2025, coinciding with the federal elections. The initiative aims to make a substantial, threat-adapted contribution to national resilience."

 

[GTX]

See here for the reasoning:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI2RrliGm7Q

 

[GreenKnight121]

German mobilization?

 

[GTX]

 

[pbehn]

Of all the days, in all the weeks and months of a year they choose April 1st as decision day? Is this some kinda joke?

 

[MIflyer]

Of all the days, in all the weeks and months of a year they choose April 1st as decision day?

That's the day they announced the creation of the US Air Force Academy.

 

[pbehn]

That's the day they announced the creation of the US Air Force Academy.

Its also the day my parents got married. Nothing should happen on 1st of April, it dooms all projects.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

Where is public opinion in Germany on this idea?

 

[Chris H]

That's the day they announced the creation of the US Air Force Academy.

And the Royal Air Force!

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Where is public opinion in Germany on this idea?

Probably not very high or good. It already was not very high when I was of conscription age (I still remember getting my letter when I was 17 turning 18), and the modern generation is definitely not in favor.

 

[Trilisser]

Probably not very high or good. It already was not very high when I was of conscription age (I still remember getting my letter when I was 17 turning 18), and the modern generation is definitely not in favor.

Years ago Martin van Creveld (Israeli military historian) wasn't particularly impressed with Bundeswehr training and ethos. Today he is probably even less impressed. Based on encounters with some German youth, my expectations aren't great.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Years ago Martin van Creveld (Israeli military historian) wasn't particularly impressed with Bundeswehr training and ethos. Today he is probably even less impressed. Based on encounters with some German youth, my expectations aren't great.

The training and deployments I did with The Bundeswehr in the early 2000s was excellent. The soldiers I worked with were very well trained.

I imagine with the current youth generation it has declined dramatically.

 

[Trilisser]

The training and deployments I did with The Bundeswehr in the early 2000s was excellent. The soldiers I worked with were very well trained.

I imagine with the current youth generation it has declined dramatically.

But how well can they fight in real war when every soldier has been told that they are basically allowed to disobey every order they don't like? It is interesting to note that in an interview in the 1950s a certain Eisenhower stated that one thing he doesn't tolerate is disobedience.

 

[Snautzer01]

But how well can they fight in real war when every soldier has been told that they are basically allowed to disobey every order they don't like? It is interesting to note that in an interview in the 1950s a certain Eisenhower stated that one thing he doesn't tolerate is disobedience.

Well.. US soldiers sure can disobey orders.

Orders that violate established laws, regulations, or the UCMJ are not binding. If you can prove that the order you're accused of disobeying was unlawful—such as if it infringes on your personal rights or involves committing a crime—this can serve as a robust defense.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

But how well can they fight in real war when every soldier has been told that they are basically allowed to disobey every order they don't like? It is interesting to note that in an interview in the 1950s a certain Eisenhower stated that one thing he doesn't tolerate is disobedience.

What are you talking about? Every soldier, even in the US military, is allowed to disobey any unlawful order. Always been that way.

Nobody is being told they can basically disobey any lawful order they simply dislike. That is simply not the truth in any military. lol

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

We had a positive duty to not obey illegal orders. Of course, you'd damned well better be right.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

We had a positive duty to not obey illegal orders. Of course, you'd damned well better be right.

Exactly. The topic was (and still is) one of the first things new soldiers are introduced to. It protects both them and the military.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

Exactly. The topic was (and still is) one of the first things new soldiers are introduced to. It protects both them and the military.

We got four hours' classroom time on Geneva and illegalities when I was in BMTS.

 

[MIflyer]

We had a positive duty to not obey illegal orders. Of course, you'd damned well better be right.

And not only that, just plain absolute stupid stuff you can get away with disobeying if everyone knows it is stupid.