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Shallafu 1941 RAF Fortress 1 90 Sqn sharktail

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WWII: RAF FLYING FORTRESS 90 SQN SHALLUFA NORTH AFRICA B&W PHOTOS W/ NOTES 1940 | eBay

SHALLUFA, NORTH AFRICA. RAF FLYING FORTRESS. B&W PHOTOS W/ NOTES. USED condition.
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Snautzer01 said:
B-17G-15-VE 42-97534 Patches shot taken in Russia soviet union Poltava and Mirgorod were to be used by heavy bombers B-24 Liberators, B-17 Flying Fortresses Notice soviet army uniforms officers on the right.
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Interesting information, Snautzer. B-17s and B-24s were used for training future Tupolev Tu-4 crews in handling four-engined bombers, the latter also serving use in training in operating tricycle undercarriage, not a common thing in immediate post-war Soviet Union.
 
So you say nothing was learned and there was a blanc paper? Concept was not i think but thise 2 frames were succesfull and had an influence.
 
Snautzer01 said:
Concept was not i think but thise 2 frames were succesfull and had an influence.
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The problem is one of association without direct connection. Just because the SU operated nose gear aircraft doesn't mean every branch of the air force did. There wasn't an osmosis operation here where everyone learned everything, so the chances of post-war bomber crews training to fly the Tu-4 operating these aircraft was very slim to almost non-existent by the time the Tu-4 entered service. The reality was that bomber crews had little or no experience in operating this configuration, so the US bombers were used for training them. It's also interesting to make the obvious point that four-engined aircraft were not completely alien to the SU, yet the US bombers were used for training bomber crews in their intricacies, too. This was about training aircrew, not about unfamiliar processes.
 
The MiG-9 and -15 had trike gear as well as the IL-28. The USSR were given many B-25s and they were used for many postwar operations as well as training, just as in the US as crew trainers. I suspect if P-39 and -63 survivors were told fly B-24s of B-25s they would have.
 
So it is not so easy nuuumann. I think they had enough knowledge to use trike gear. Having and using the b24 was a welcome convienience. Not to speak of other planes mentioned.
 
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Snautzer01 said:
So it is not so easy nuuumann. I think they had enough knowledge to use trike gear. Having and using the b24 was a welcome convienience. Not to speak of other planes mentioned.
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Well, it's easy to assume through association Snautzer, as you are doing, but there is assumptions and there is knowledge. Those B-24s were brought in for nose gear and four-engined familiarisation training for Tu-4 crews. Can you prove otherwise? I doubt it, but you assume they already know these things, so you must be right...
 
nuuumannn said:
Well, it's easy to assume through association Snautzer, as you are doing, but there is assumptions and there is knowledge. Those B-24s were brought in for nose gear and four-engined familiarisation training for Tu-4 crews. Can you prove otherwise? I doubt it, but you assume they already know these things, so you must be right...
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Can you prove otherwise? But i will look in to it i i find it worth of my time. Dont like the agressive writing style a bit. Thought, although i have no prove, you were better then that.
 
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