eBay: Messerschmitt Bf109

[Snautzer01]

Were early models flown in Russia?

No dont think so.

 

[fubar57]

Just found this in Wiki so it can't be the above 109

"On 4 December 1937, during the Spanish Civil war, a Bf 109 A-0, marked 6–15, made an emergency landing behind Republican lines. The aircraft was recovered and tested. In January 1938 the aircraft was also evaluated by a French delegation. This aircraft was later sent to the Soviet Union and also tested. During the war this aircraft served with a special Soviet reconnaissance unit equipped with captured German aircraft, before it was captured back by Jg.27."

 

[Snautzer01]

Just found this in Wiki so it can't be the above 109

"On 4 December 1937, during the Spanish Civil war, a Bf 109 A-0, marked 6–15, made an emergency landing behind Republican lines. The aircraft was recovered and tested. In January 1938 the aircraft was also evaluated by a French delegation. This aircraft was later sent to the Soviet Union and also tested. During the war this aircraft served with a special Soviet reconnaissance unit equipped with captured German aircraft, before it was captured back by Jg.27."

Wasnt that an e3 ?. I have a rapport of that one in russian..

 

[Wurger]

Just found this in Wiki so it can't be the above 109

"On 4 December 1937, during the Spanish Civil war, a Bf 109 A-0, marked 6–15, made an emergency landing behind Republican lines. The aircraft was recovered and tested. In January 1938 the aircraft was also evaluated by a French delegation. This aircraft was later sent to the Soviet Union and also tested. During the war this aircraft served with a special Soviet reconnaissance unit equipped with captured German aircraft, before it was captured back by Jg.27."

Judging by the prop and exhaust pipes shape that's the Bf 109D but not the A-0.

 

[Snautzer01]

Just found this in Wiki so it can't be the above 109

"On 4 December 1937, during the Spanish Civil war, a Bf 109 A-0, marked 6–15, made an emergency landing behind Republican lines. The aircraft was recovered and tested. In January 1938 the aircraft was also evaluated by a French delegation. This aircraft was later sent to the Soviet Union and also tested. During the war this aircraft served with a special Soviet reconnaissance unit equipped with captured German aircraft, before it was captured back by Jg.27."

Captured early Bf109's Knew i posted something here. There is a D in french clothes.

and the russian report

 

[special ed]

Judging by the prop and exhaust pipes shape that's the Bf 109D but not the A-0.

That was my guess also. Perhaps it is one of the D models used in Poland Sept 1939.

 

[Wurger]

That was my guess also. Perhaps it is one of the D models used in Poland Sept 1939.

An interesting idea. But not with the kind of the camo IMHO. These used over Poland were of the standard LW camo scheme RLM70/71/65 for that time with the low demarcation line seen on the radiator inlet. The one seen in the pic has the entire engine cowling painted light. This may suggest the camo used in the Spain.

 

[fubar57]

But......but.....but Wiki said it was an Anton

 

[Wurger]

 

[fubar57]

My first thought was Spain and not Russland as eBay says. I also noticed an "N" under the left wing

 

[Wurger]

My first thought was exactly the same. But the kind of the ground of the crash area may be the clue as well.

 

[CATCH 22]

Captured early Bf109's Knew i posted something here. There is a D in french clothes.

and the russian report

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The Russian report IS about E-3 as you mentioned earlier. It's not about a captured A(nton).
The one captured in Spain and later tested in the USSR is a B-1(based on Russian sources):

 

[Wurger]

The early Bf 109 tested in the USSR was the one ...

the source: 8/5/18 Flegel's Bf 109A - wrong cockpit's visual model

 

[CATCH 22]

The early Bf 109 tested in the USSR was the one ...

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the source: 8/5/18 Flegel's Bf 109A - wrong cockpit's visual model

That's the same one as in the pictures I posted. If you check the post you are referring to, these guys also mention that the Russian source "Messerschmitt Bf 109В-1 Испанский пленник, М. Маслов" calls it a B-1. At the end of the notes to the book (just follow the link I connected with the book title) one finds a note about this discrepancy.

I remember a very good table from a German(?) book, probably in my collection or posted in a forum, where all Me-109 sent to Spain were listed and the variants were connected with the respective markings. In this case 6-15. I'm not sure where I've seen it but somebody here might remember it as well.
Cheers!

 

[Wurger]

That's the same one as in the pictures I posted. If you check the post you are referring to, these guys also mention that the Russian source "Messerschmitt Bf 109В-1 Испанский пленник, М. Маслов" calls it a B-1.
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I remember a very good table from a German(?) book, probably in my collection or posted in a forum, where all Me-109 sent to Spain were listed and the variants were connected with the respective markings. In this case 6-15. I'm not sure where I've seen it but somebody here might remember it as well.
Cheers!

We have had to criss-crossed our posts Yves. I didn't see your while posting mine. Undoubtedly that's the same Bf 109. Also I agree the Russian sources say that was the Berta variant.

 

[CATCH 22]

We have had to criss-crossed our posts Yves. I didn't see your while posting mine. Undoubtedly that's the same Bf 109. Also I agree the Russian sources say that was the Berta variant.

Yep - your fingers are faster!
I don't have the Russian book, but AFAIK there are several photos in it and maybe the text with the test results is quoted there as well...

 

[Wurger]

I see. But as memo serves there are the pics only without the test results quoted.

 

[woody_s]

The Early 109 tested by the Russians is an A, please note the long leading edge slats. All 109's in Spain up to 6o19 were either V or A series.
Cheers,
Woody

 

[MIflyer]

109's in various states of distress.

 

[Wurger]

Nice shots.