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drgondog
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Nuthin' like depicting the NA-73X with round windscreen and short carb duct as 'Apache' - before BPC/BAM formally requested "Mustang'.
SaparotRob
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Are you saying Life Magazine is not a superior source of info to NAA/BPC/USAAF records?
drgondog
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Not really - it is an Allison Ad. What is interesting is a.) as of September 1, 1941, the depicted 'Mustang' as all NA-73 were so deemed by Brits/NAA was the retired NA-73X, and b.) currently delivered NA-73 #1 through #6 had flat windshields and long carb scoop.
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Cool.
And to reinforce that, it was only in September-October 1941 that the similar advert by NAA showing an aircraft in similar stylised representation and closest in configuration to NA-73X or very early NA-73 (with short carb scoop pre mod) appeared in a targetted advert placement in two US aviation magazines pushing the type for the USAAC. Makes me start to think that there was some higher level corporate marketing department pressure coming from higher up the corporate structure of both NAA and Allison from their parent company G-M, to push both the type and the proposed name for a USAAC variant. The coincidence in timing, style and use of the "A" name would lend credence to some level of communication and coordination regarding the advertising. Annoying part is, I don't think marketing department memos from that period would be high on the agenda for archiving and retention for any of the three bodies involved - NAA, Allison & G-M.
This version of the advert (attached) also dates from September-October 1941 and is from a US aviation magazine. In later Allison engine adverts that were published later in 1941 and into early 1942 promoting the Allison V-12 engine and the aircraft it was being used in, the advert did give both RAF and US names in some instances - so for P-51 showed both Mustang and Apache, P-40 Warhawk and Kittyhawk, etc.
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Correlation of the drag characteristics of a P-51B 43-1211 , 32 pages
drgondog
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These are flight test analysis data and reports to compare to wind tunnel testing for 43-12105, which stayed at NACA Langley for 'tall tail and dorsal fin testing.
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from fold3: June 1944: LTC Chester L. Sluder (R), commander of the 325th FG, "makes nice" with Soviets at Piryatin. the 325th flew their first shuttle mission that day, with 42 of their ground support personnel being flown as crew members aboard the B-17s they had escorted, one per aircaft replacing a regular crewman. One B-17 was lost over the target, the marshalling yards at Debreczen, Hungary. 325th crew chief SSGT Austin J. Cronin went down with this ship.
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from fold3: June 1944: LTC Chester L. Sluder (R), commander of the 325th FG, "makes nice" with Soviets at Piryatin. the 325th flew their first shuttle mission that day, with 42 of their ground support personnel being flown as crew members aboard the B-17s they had escorted, one per aircaft replacing a regular crewman. One B-17 was lost over the target, the marshalling yards at Debreczen, Hungary. 325th crew chief SSGT Austin J. Cronin went down with this ship.
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drgondog
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The 325th provided escort for the 1st Shuttle Mission. I think Col Sluder, CO of 325th led them. My father (center) Deputy Gp CO of the 355th led the last one (Frantic VII) to drop supplies into Warsaw to the Resistance. The 355th landed at Piryatin, the photo was taken at Mirgorod - where dad flew in to get briefing for next day mission and leg to Foggia, Italy. The US pilot on the left is the Deputy Mission CO for the 13th BW but I don't have his name.white cross
from fold3: June 1944: LTC Chester L. Sluder (R), commander of the 325th FG, "makes nice" with Soviets at Piryatin. the 325th flew their first shuttle mission that day, with 42 of their ground support personnel being flown as crew members aboard the B-17s they had escorted, one per aircaft replacing a regular crewman. One B-17 was lost over the target, the marshalling yards at Debreczen, Hungary. 325th crew chief SSGT Austin J. Cronin went down with this ship.
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P-51B/C/D, 75th FS, 23rd FG, Chiehkiang China
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Howard Gibson
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Those swastikas are pre-war. If you are going to Photoshop, at least get the markings right.
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These P-51s were painted for a post war movie as Bf 109 stand ins. Hollywood thinks no one knows the difference.
Yep the movie is "Fighter Squadron," a 1948 Raoul Walsh film.
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ww2aircraft.net
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the source:
Captured Aircraft
yep, they had quite a few Allied aircraft, especially with Zircus Rosarius and Kg200. If you want to have a good read about captured aircraft, look for: "Luftwaffe test pilot: Flying captured Allied aircraft of World War 2" by Hans-Werner Lerche
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Fighter Squadron - Wikipedia
SaparotRob
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Is that the movie with the actor who played Jimmy Olson in the Superman tv show?Yep the movie is "Fighter Squadron," a 1948 Raoul Walsh film.
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the source:
Captured Aircraft
yep, they had quite a few Allied aircraft, especially with Zircus Rosarius and Kg200. If you want to have a good read about captured aircraft, look for: "Luftwaffe test pilot: Flying captured Allied aircraft of World War 2" by Hans-Werner LercheFighter Squadron - Wikipedia
