F4U in Europe

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The directions for figuring out the "ball park" combat radius of action as used by the USAAF are as follows

A, Warm up and take off equivalent to 5 minutes at normal rated power.
B, Climb to 25,000ft at normal rate of power. (distance covered in the climb not included in the radius.)
C, Cruise out at 25,000ft and 210 I.A.S.
D, Drop external tanks and/or bombs before entering combat.
E, Combat at 5 minutes at war emergency rating and 15 minutes at military rating.
F, Cruise back at 25,000ft and 210 I.A.S.
G, No account is taken of decreased fuel consumption during decent
H. allowance is made for 30 minutes reserve at minimum cruise power.
I, no allowance is made for formation flight or for evasion action other than 20 minutes combat.

The charts shown are in 25 miles increments.
These are not flight plans.

But they are useful comparison tools between planes or between planes with different tank systems.
Original poster wants to see how the F4U compared, then figure out the steps above (as best you can) and compare to P-38, P-47, P-51 with the tank set up of your choice.
Or trying using a Spitfire with rear tank and/or drop tank.
Or try using a P-40F ( probably won't make 210 IAS at 25,000ft at less than max cruise speed? )

Actual missions would have zig zag patterns, would include wind for a given day and a few other details. and actual mission distance would be shorter than the chart shows.

However once a proponent of a certain aircraft starts fiddling with the numbers (Using climb to attitude as part of the radius or using shorter than specified reserve for "landing" ) then you aren't comparing apples to apples anymore.

Also using planes that will not make a decent amount of combat power at 25,000ft (over and above 'cruise' power) is not going to end for the pilots.
 
the P-47 in the charts is instructive.
A P-47 with 305 gallons is rated at 125 miles radius of action/
With 370 gallons the radius is 225 miles.
Adding the pair of 150 gallon drop tanks to the 305 internal fuel the radius goes 425 miles
Adding the pair of 150 gallons drop tanks to a P-47 with 370 gallons of internal fuel gives you a radius of 600 miles.
an increase of 175 miles

also note that with plane with 605 gallons (305 inside and 300 outside) about 3 1/2 times the radius as just having 305 gallons.
Being able to go into combat with nearly full tanks is a huge advantage compared to having to turn back with tanks 60-70 % full and having to use 30-40% of your fuel climbing to altitude and reserving your fuel for combat.
 
FOLKS, LET'S NOT FEED THE TROLL WITH HIS P-39 BS. HE WAS SHOWN HE WAS WRONG BY SEVERAL PEOPLE ON HERE BUT CONTINUES TO SPAM THIS FORUM. I THINK THIS HAS RUN IT'S COURSE!

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The directions for figuring out the "ball park" combat radius of action as used by the USAAF are as follows

A, Warm up and take off equivalent to 5 minutes at normal rated power.
B, Climb to 25,000ft at normal rate of power. (distance covered in the climb not included in the radius.)
C, Cruise out at 25,000ft and 210 I.A.S.
D, Drop external tanks and/or bombs before entering combat.
E, Combat at 5 minutes at war emergency rating and 15 minutes at military rating.
F, Cruise back at 25,000ft and 210 I.A.S.
G, No account is taken of decreased fuel consumption during decent
H. allowance is made for 30 minutes reserve at minimum cruise power.
I, no allowance is made for formation flight or for evasion action other than 20 minutes combat.

The charts shown are in 25 miles increments.
These are not flight plans.

But they are useful comparison tools between planes or between planes with different tank systems.
Original poster wants to see how the F4U compared, then figure out the steps above (as best you can) and compare to P-38, P-47, P-51 with the tank set up of your choice.
Or trying using a Spitfire with rear tank and/or drop tank.
Or try using a P-40F ( probably won't make 210 IAS at 25,000ft at less than max cruise speed? )

Actual missions would have zig zag patterns, would include wind for a given day and a few other details. and actual mission distance would be shorter than the chart shows.

However once a proponent of a certain aircraft starts fiddling with the numbers (Using climb to attitude as part of the radius or using shorter than specified reserve for "landing" ) then you aren't comparing apples to apples anymore.

Also using planes that will not make a decent amount of combat power at 25,000ft (over and above 'cruise' power) is not going to end for the pilots.

What is the TAS of 210mph IAS at 25,000ft?
 
Folks, I agree with Joe. I think its time to just leave it be, regarding the P-39 unicorn.

You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink. Some people would rather continue living in a fantasy, have zero understanding of the data and charts, and how to read them. They will never admit they don't understand, and will argue with pilots and subject matter experts until their face turns blue. That is their choice, and their prerogative, but it does not make them right.

Me personally? I like to learn. I also know that there is a lot that I do not know, and can admit when I am wrong. And when I am wrong, I want to listen and learn from those more knowledgeable.

Time to move on…

Besides: THIS IS AN F4U THREAD. WE ALREADY HAVE A P-39 GROUNDHOG THREAD. WHY IS THIS ONE BEING SPAMMED BY THE GROUNDHOG?
 
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And here I thought that the problem that submariners had with their torpedoes was unique.
Although, to be sure, the admins at the torpedo factory were busy rejecting the reports of the submarine captains in actual combat. telling them that there was nothing wrong with the torpedoes, they were just being used incorrectly. Did the pilots in the war zone have that same problem, or did the army brass listen to reason when they heard it?
Interesting question. VIII FC Air Tech Services reported issues from early 1943 regarding P-38/F4 and P-47C. The manufacturers responded, but Wright Field was sluggish to non-concerned aboutt beefing up Test processes. In this case 'army brass' was focused on Gen. Oliver Echols CO Materiel Command. The OP flight test was 100% absorbed by Eglin Air Proving Ground with much better results.
 
So, uh hey yah. Getting back to the Corsair (BTW The P-51 and Corsair are my two favorite planes of the war - just a bit of fanboy for you) I came across this test between the P-51C (sounds like a birdcage canopy) and F4U-1. The conclusion is interesting.

Here is the link: http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/f4u/p-51b-f4u-1-navycomp.pdf

I know there's a lot of "the Corsair couldn't cut it in the ETO" and in many regards this is correct. It wasn't suitable for long range escort or combat above 25K, but there were quite a few roles that it could have performed excellently. I've noticed in a few of the comparisons from the war, like the one linked here and the fighter convention, that the Corsair is rated first or second by the pilots tasked with determining what actually were the best aircraft. Seems to me, they probably knew what they were talking about.

As for all the range calcs and stuff, I'm out of my depth. But, I'm always learning when I visit here.
 
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