Fighter Escorts of B-29's over Japan & Pacific

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From what I recall, the B-29's were capable of cruising at around 310-320 mph at altitudes of about 33000' when operating out of Burma and China, with operations shifting to Tinian owing to logistical issues. While I'm not sure when the operational altitudes of the B-29 were reduced from 33000' to 31500', whether this was before the move to Tinian (and what effect this had on payload), and seemed that once Iwo Jima was occupied: Fighter escorts started to be employed out of there by P-51D's, then P-47N's (I'm not sure if any P-47D's were used, and I'm not sure how many P-47N sorties were flown) and P-51H's.

I'm curious about escort missions were flown over the Pacific/Japan versus over Europe: Superficially, I'd imagine they'd be easier for the P-51's because of the need to burn down much of the center-tank prior to using the drop-tanks and, since you'd be several hundred miles from enemy territory (IIRC: Iwo Jima to Tokyo is about 750 miles), you could burn up much of (if not all of) the external tanks prior to engaging in combat. Because the B-29's aren't slower than the P-51's, S-weaving wouldn't be necessary, so you could fly a straight path instead of a flight path that looks like a sine-wave.

That said, the B-29's have a higher cruise speed than the P-51D (I have no idea what the cruise speed of the P-47N and P-51H were) which flew around 300-305 mph on long escort tactics up to that point (over Europe) favored escorts flying (IIRC) from 2000'-5000' above the height of the bombers (which would have called for escort altitudes ranging from 33500'-38500'): I'm curious if the elimination of the S-weave, potential ability to retain drop-tanks longer, and the presence of 165 gallon tanks appearing in theater allowed them to simply push the speed up without too much cost; I'm also curious if they used the same escort altitude requirements, or used lower ones? From what I remember, the P-51B's (and most -C's) used the V-1650-3, and the later -C's and P-51D's using the V-1650-7 and, while both engines were capable of cruising well above their critical altitudes (As I understand it: Fuel/air ratios will see lower fuel burn and, provided you could still hold the cruise speed with enough surplus to accelerate to a suitably high speed, one should be decent provided you're able to perform better than enemy aircraft): The V-1650-3 had higher critical altitude (w/o ram: 24000'; w/ ram: 29800') than the -7 (w/o ram: 19000; w/ ram: 24000-25000'). While the -7 had more overall horsepower than the -3, meaning that you'd equal the -3 at some point above the -7's rated altitude: It stands to reason that you would lose a greater degree of performance by the time you got into low 30000' range, where both engines were above their rated altitudes and seems to make escorts at altitudes over 34000'-35000' seem kind of tough (Interestingly, I do remember seeing a document on Greg's Planes and Automobiles that showed that there were kits that allowed the -3's supercharger gearing to be fitted to the -7's), though the P-51H had better altitude performance, and the P-47N was probably the best (IIRC the P-47N-5RE could produce 2100 HP @ 38750'), though it wasn't generally as agile as the P-51's.
 
One note, B-29s did not need escorts over Pacific, it was enough that they meet their escorts off the coast of Japan. So the component with lower cruiser speed simply started earlier.
So, the P-51's cruised at their own speed and as they neared the R/V point, they would simply push the speed up to match the B-29's?
 
there was a long thread on B-29 escorts last month
 
Do you have the link?

There are Encounter Reports and Mission Reports from Iwo Jima based P-51 units at the link below that mention altitudes at which the units cruised and escorted. Your altitude numbers seem high to me.
Some 7th AF documentation of fighter escort for B29's over Japan.

For example:
78th FS: Some 7th AF documentation of fighter escort for B29's over Japan.
They flew at 10,000 feet until 40 miles from landfall at which time the started climbing to 23,000 feet arriving over landfall at 0912k.

47th FS: Some 7th AF documentation of fighter escort for B29's over Japan.
Rendezvous point was reached at 0622 at altitude of 8,000' and formation was on course at 0625. Thirty minutes from D.P. started to climb and arrived there at 0912 at 23,000'

45th FS: Some 7th AF documentation of fighter escort for B29's over Japan.
After making rendezvous with the navigation B-29's over Kita Rock the flight was on course at 0845. Flying a level course until within sight of the assembly point at 11000 feet, speed was 205 MHP IAS. When the B-29's for strike were within sight a climb was begun to 18000 feet. Assembly with the combat B-29's which were from 13000 to 15000 feet was made at 1130.

More of the same in that thread.
 
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So, the P-51's cruised at their own speed and as they neared the R/V point, they would simply push the speed up to match the B-29's?
With two different aircraft types finding an optimal cruise speed for both is a problem. The P-51D and Mosquito cruised at different speeds despite being low drag designs with the same (nominally) engines.. A B-29 didn't have an optimal cruise speed, it had an engineer to figure out what was the best speed at that time. A B-29 is losing weight by 400 gal/hr of fuel at least and other things like oil. It loses a lot more weight and drag when it drops its bombs while the P-51 has a lot of drag from its external tanks which it loses when they are dropped.
 
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For some reason, I thought escort operations over Japan were occurring well before the firebombing raids over Tokyo took place: I didn't know they started in April of 1945.
 
For some reason, I thought escort operations over Japan were occurring well before the firebombing raids over Tokyo took place: I didn't know they started in April of 1945.
I think that is to do with range and available airfields.
 
The P-51H was first delivered to the USAAF 30 July '45 - none ever flew operational sorties during wartime.

Also, USAAF escorts for the B-29 didn't start until April because Iwo Jima was the closest location to the Home islands that escorts could operate from and it took 'til the last week of March to secure the island from Japanese defenders.
 
Another site for primary documentation on B-29 raids on Japan is Japan Air Raids.org – A Bilingual Historical Archive

Check out what's available under Documents > English Language Documents. One such document type are the Tactical Mission Reports, which include such information as mission planning details, fuel usage statistics, aircraft weight tables, and post-strike photos. You can only view the PDFs on the site (they're slow to load), but they can be downloaded for free from the associated Scribd.com link by signing up for a free account. (That's what I did to download the files.)
 
I always thought that after Tokyo, the cruise altitudes were more like 25000 (since you wouldn't be dropping to lower altitudes then climbing back up). I'm surprised they flew so low.
 
I always thought that after Tokyo, the cruise altitudes were more like 25000 (since you wouldn't be dropping to lower altitudes then climbing back up). I'm surprised they flew so low.


I wonder if some of the lower altitudes were due to the jet stream that whipped across Japan, fighting the jet stream would burn a LOT of fuel, staying lower would lessen that to a degree.
 
The jet stream over the Home islands travels in a predominately westward direction, the B-29's ingress was from the south-west. So yes, the Jetstream would have an effect on the B-29's flight, but it wasn't a head-wind.

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The jet stream over the Home islands travels in a predominately westward direction, the B-29's ingress was from the south-west. So yes, the Jetstream would have an effect on the B-29's flight, but it wasn't a head-wind.

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Not a direct headwind, but you are still fighting that component and it's helping on the way home.
 

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