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What? So the word 'also' is what makes it an insult?You are back peddeling.....You said to Chris "So now you're also a scientist and expert on WMDs?"
That is sarcasim and rude, don't think your little changing of the words can get you out of it. Just say sorry without making excuses or changing what you said. Then get back on the subject.
You agree with Chris on the war in Iraq and WMDs. As such you'll be more perceptive to criticism on him than you would be on me, as you clearly didn't notice some of the accusation I've had to take this last days.Please explain how I am not impartial on this subject.
You were the one who started talking about a war between Chris and I. I was shocked when I read it.I am trying to help before you go to far and start a huge war with Chris (which you would not win).
Now that's the kind of stuff I like to hear!no one is unbiased
Damn! I just keep on getting myself deeper and deeper in trouble!Chris was a Crew Chief - don't insult him by calling him a nasty pilot.
Njaco, I don't think you're nobody. You're as smart or as dumb as any of us here. Nobody knows it all. We can just hope that if we stick out heads together we'll get a step closer to the truth.Experts to find WMDs? My common sense says that if I was in the military, stationed in a sensitive area, a dangerous area, they military will make damn sure I know what I'm doing and what I'm looking at. Some things don't take a scientist to figure out. Its called not finding the forest cause ther's too many trees.
Why were these either hidden for Iraq Survey Group or why did the Iraq Survey Group not mention them, even though it's in their best interest to make them public?
January 9, 2004, when Icelandic munitions experts and Danish military engineers discovered 36 120-mm mortar rounds containing liquid buried in Southern Iraq.
Njaco, are you sure about this url? This is about nearly one of every 25 weapons the U.S. military bought for Iraqi security forces missing.I really don't know and I can only guess. See this that I found and you might be able to understand why the military doesn't want to let on they found WMDs.
Audit: Many U.S. weapons in Iraq missing - Conflict in Iraq - MSNBC.com
Yes, but it's a good indication of how difficult it is to correctly identify WMDs. Remember, that British-Danish team concluded that they were WMDs. It was only after further research that this was ruled out causing a Danish re-evaluation of their own equipment...This was just one location.
No, that's because Chris hasn't replied yet!All I was saying was what I thought you needed to hear to slow you down little. You have slowed down a little since I said that.....was it b/c what I said or did you slow down by yourself?
Anyway, Hunter, you meant well and I should thank you as it's pretty obvious you only meant well. At the time I felt you were sticking up for Chris and I felt I had done nothing wrong, so I reacted too harshly on your post.
Kris
Don't pull that one on me again. You didn't say anything about experts. You need to be an expert to know what a WMD is. (Or why were those experts there.) So then I asked, are you an expert? No, you're not. I also said I wasn't an expert either, so I don't see what you could find insulting about that.
Civettone said:Well, if you want I can give you some other examples where the US Military claimed that WMDs were found, and that a team of specialists later found they weren't WMDs or no longer active.
So again, where was it and what was it?
Civettone said:I do read your post but you systematically say EVERYTHING is wrong except for what you've seen with your own eyes. I disagree with that. And I've already explained why I disagree with that. I've made analogies with WW2 eye witness accounts. "I've shot down a He 113 and I don't care if you tell me there never was one. Who was there? You or I??"
Civettone said:I do respect you Chris, more than you know, but I don't believe everything you say even though I believe you're being truthful about what you've seen.
Kris
They call in experts to identify WMDs. That makes me conclude that you need to be an expert to identify WMDs.
Njaco, you may very well be an expert. I don't know as I don't know a single thing about you. I know Chris is a military helicopter pilot, and I bet a damn good one too.
Civettone said:And again, he didn't mention he flew in experts. Had I had known this, I wouldn't have made the comment. He said he saw it with his own eyes.
Kris
Civettone brings up a good question - if NBCs were found in Iraq, then why is are official gov't reports stating the opposite. I honestly have legitimate answer to this. However, "facts" released to the public are different from what is not released...
Adler's experience is not isolated, nor is he incorrect in what he saw. Obviously I was not there, but his story is not uncommon. The Army has NBC guys attached to every unit that deal with these threats. Now, it goes without saying that NBCs found in Iraq were substantially less than the US gov't expected to find. However, that is not the same as meaning that they did not exist. With scatterings as such found, it seems intuitive to believe that there are MANY that have not been found. You would not develop a sparse sprinkling of token NBCs, that just does not make sense in reality... at least not to me. I'd be like the USMC procuring 1 and a half Ospreys...
mkloby said:Chris was a Crew Chief - don't insult him by calling him a nasty pilot.
If Chris would tell us which site he's talking about, perhaps we (or he) can take a quick peek at the Survey Report and see it being mentioned there. Perhaps that will clarify things.
I really don't care if you prove Chris wrong or that I agree with him. (by the way I agree with you also to a degree) I also don't follow all your posts or what Chris says to you on other threads. I am speaking only about this thread.