George S. Patton....

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    ....was he assassinated?
     
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    Just thought that I'd throw in a spanner in the forum works.... ;)
     
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    Opinions, of course, vary...
    General Patton was struck down the day before he was scheduled to make a triumphant return to the United States. He had just been removed from his command of the Third Army, which was in charge of governing the American sector of Germany, because he not only opposed the dismemberment of Germany, but also because he favored military action against the Communists. As the most popular hero of the Second World War, Patton would have been unbeatable in a Presidential race.

    The Patton Papers, 1940-45 recently published by Houghton Mifflin, gives ample reasons for the murder of General Patton. A few months before he was killed, his driver for five years, Master Sergeant John L. Mims, was replaced. Patton was asked by Major General Gay to accompany him on an excursion for a few hours the day before he was to return to America. At 11:45 A.M. in clear weather and on a straight stretch of road, the driver of a GMC military truck turned his vehicle directly into the side of the 1938 Cadillac 75 Special limousine in which Patton was the only person injured. He suffered some internal injuries but did not seem to be seriously hurt. On Dec. 21, 1945, it was announced that he had died of an “embolism”. An air bubble emboli can be introduced into the bloodstream easily with a syringe by anyone with brief medical training.

    Not only did the U.S. Army make no investigation into the “accident” which had put him into the hospital, but no questions were raised about his “embolism”, despite the fact that he was one of the most popular and most powerful figures in America’s history.

    Attempts had been made in the past to assonate him. He had recorded in his diary that on April 20, 1945, while observing the front in his personal plane, which was clearly marked, an RAF Spitfire made three passes at his plane, attempting to shoot it down, failing to do so. it went out of control and crashed. The story was later put out that a Polish flyer had been piloting the Spitfire. Patton was not injured.

    Patton’s military exploits were such that he was the only American general whom the Germans feared. They transferred entire divisions as soon as rumors were spread that he was on a given front. During much of World War II, Patton survived repeated efforts of his fellow generals, as well as the British leaders, to get rid of him. In 1943, in spite of his victories at Gafsa and Gela, Patton was removed from command after Drew Pearson printed a story that Patton had slapped a soldier at a field hospital and called him a “yellow-bellied J**.” Eisenhower used this inciden to refuse Patton command of American ground troops in England, giving the command instead to Omar Bradley.

    Patton had no respect for Bradley. Patton wrote in his Diary Jan. 18, 1944, “Bradley is a man of great mediocrity. At Benning in command he failed to get discipline. At Gafsa when it looked as though the Germans might turn our right flank, he suggested we withdraw corps headquarters to Feriana. I refused to move.”

    Patton also had little respect for Eisenhower referring to him often as a “fool”.

    Patton had noted in his Diary, July 5, 1943 before his successful African campaign, “At no time did Ike wish us luck and say he was back of us—fool.”

    On July 12, 1944, Patton wrote in his Diary, “Neither Ike nor Bradley has the stuff. Ike is bound hand and foot by the British and doesn’t know it. Poor fool.”

    Patton was also extremely disgusted with Eisenhower’s infatuation with his “chauffeur”, Kay Summersby, rumors were that Ike was going to divorce Mamie in order to marry her. There are also reasons to believe that Kay Summersby was a British Intelligence Officer.

    Field Marshall Montgomery persuaded Eisenhower to issue one of the most amazing military orders in history. All of the Allied Armies must advance exactly abreast, so that no one (meaning Patton) would receive “undue credit.” Throughout the war, Patton, unlike many General had remained in the field, whereas the other generals had remained far behind the front in their dugout “headquarters” or in luxurious villas far from the sound of gunfire.

    During a press conference on May 8, 1945, Patton was asked, “Would you explain why we (the Americans) didn’t go into Prague.” “I can tell you, exactly,” Patton replied. “We were ordered not to.” Patton wrote to his wife on July 21, 1945. “I could have taken it (referring to Berlin) had I been allowed.”

    Eisenhower’s refusal to allow Patton to take Prague and Berlin, holding him back while the Russians occupied these critical capitals, remains questionable.

    On May 18, 1945, concerning the advisability of fighting Russians Patton wrote: “In my opinion the American Army as it now exists could beat the Russians with the greatest ease, because while the Russians have good infantry, they are lacking in artillery, air, tanks, and in the knowledge of the use of these combined arms; whereas we excel in all three of these. If it should be necessary to fight the Russians, the sooner we do it the better.”

    The longer Patton remained in Germany the more pro-German, anti-Russian, and anti-Semitic he became and he was never shy about voicing his opinions. He was also very much opposed to the break-up of Germany into fragmented sectors.
     
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    #6 mikewint, Mar 20, 2016
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    Possibly, BUT...
    1. Patton was the only passenger hurt that cold day in what essentially was described as a "fender-bender." Two others in the car with him were uninjured, as were those in the truck that suddenly turned and caused the crash.
    2. The truck and its occupants were suspiciously waiting for the Patton car on the side of the road, according to a witness. It didn't start up until Patton's Cadillac was sighted. The truck's driver, a soldier and black marketeer who had stolen the army vehicle, did not signal when he suddenly wheeled the two-and-a-half-ton hauler into Patton's path. The driver of the truck was whisked away to London before he could be questioned and his passengers mysteriously disappeared -- as did the sergeant in a jeep who was leading the Patton Cadillac

    3. Numerous shadowy figures, including a general and other officers, quickly descended on the remote crash site, taking charge. It was a quiet Sunday morning. How were so many so high up alerted so fast? Where are the records of their visit -- and of the accident itself? All reports and investigations have inexplicably disappeared.
    4. Patton, who suffered a broken neck and head wounds, wasn't taken to a nearby Mannheim hospital. Instead, although in need of immediate help, he was driven 20 miles to a hospital in Heidelberg, a half hour away. Gravely injured, he was expected to die. But a tough man, he unexpectedly rallied and was preparing to go home to the U.S. when he had a sudden embolism attack and died literally with his bags packed. Years later, a Soviet officer told a Patton family member that they had poisoned him. A statement that cannot be verified since no autopsy was ever performed on Patton's body.

    5. There appear to have been at least three other attempts to kill him -- twice in vehicles and once while he was flying in a light plane. As I had previously posted, Spitfires under Russian control "mistook" his clearly marked Piper Cub-like aircraft for a German fighter and tried to shoot it down.

    6. The car advertised by the Patton Museum as that in which Patton was injured turns out to be a fake. A Cadillac specialist from Detroit examined the car and proved it was a different year model than the one Patton was injured in. The real car has vanished thus no modern forensic analysis can be made.
     
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    OK, now we have a conspiracy within the US Army, Spitfires trying to kill him, then Russians poisoning him. Stick to the Grassy knoll.
     
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    he complained that he was purposefully refused fuel so he could not advance. was he...or had he just outrun his supply lines? I don't doubt that fuel was withheld so he didn't out shine monty whom he totally despised and didn't do things to upset the soviets who were our allies at the time. but assassination...I am skeptical. it seems anytime someone of notability dies it has to be a dark conspiracy with the intent on preserving some status quo or secret agenda....$#!T happens to the minions and the movers all the same.
     
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    the illuminati got him as they sabotaged Joe Kennedy's Aphrodite b17...trying to influence the us political scene...
     
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    To my way of thinking there are simply too many “inconsistencies” surrounding Patton’s death to simply dismiss it out of hand. As the old saying goes, “You’re not paranoid if they’re really out to get you.”
    One would think that the accident to and subsequent death of a top and famous U.S. General would have been handled with more professionalism.
    A large US army truck that Patton’s driver later said was waiting for them, suddenly — and without signaling — abruptly turned into his limousine’s path, causing a head-on crash. Even though Patton had an aide with him and the driver of the truck had one or two passengers in the cab, no one but Patton was hurt. He suffered a paralyzing broken neck.
    Despite it being early on a no-work day, a horde of military personnel, including a brigadier general, quickly arrived at the scene. And although there were facilities in Mannheim, he was taken to a hospital 20 miles away where, when he arrived, the prognosis was bad. They expected him to die.
    Tough old bird that he was, Patton vowed to go home and tell “block-busting secrets,” and he soon rallied. In a little over a week he was fit enough to be readied for a grueling trans-Atlantic flight home. On the eve of that flight, he had a sudden relapse. Embolisms choked his breathing and within 24 hours he was dead.
    Patton himself may have some inkling that all way not right for he had mysteriously requested a guard be posted outside his room. Even then rumors that he’d been murdered were rife. The fact that there was no autopsy adds to the mystery.
    Then we have the missing witnesses to the accident. The driver of the truck and his passengers disappeared, never to be heard from again. Then we have the fact that all reports and subsequent investigations of the crash — and there were at least five — have vanished.
    Then there is the crash itself outside Mannheim. It alone begs many questions. What was the truck doing waiting for the Patton car? Why did it suddenly turn into Patton’s car without signaling? The driver, Robert L. Thompson, had been an opportunistic black marketer in postwar Germany where, in unknown dealings, he’d made a “suitcase of money.” He was not authorized to have the vehicle, and having passengers was in violation of rules. In spite of all that Thompson not only was not charged, he was allowed to vanish.
    How about motive:
    Eisenhower, the quintessential politician and the WWII hero who never led an army or won a battle, had his sights set on the presidency once the war was over. In order to raise his profile, he needed the war to end without controversy, and that was not going to happen with Patton running postwar Germany and making disparaging remarks about America’s new friend, “Uncle Joe” Stalin. In a vain attempt to silence Patton, Eisenhower demoted the four-star general, but Patton was undeterred. He stated that he would “remove the gag” upon his return to the U.S. and tell everyone the truth about how the war had been conducted. The famous General was a wildly popular figure back home, and his voice would resonate loudly with the public, hurting or even defeating a potential Eisenhower ticket. During the war Eisenhower had largely tolerated Patton’s “bad behavior” because he needed him to win on the battlefield, something Montgomery and Bradley seemed unable to do in Italy, France and Germany. It could be argued that Patton’s value to Eisenhower fell dramatically after the war ended in Europe. He dismissed orders for denazification, was outspoken about the advantages of partnering with a reconstituted German army, and publicly spoke of a future war with the Russians. He had gone too far. Patton had to go.
    How about sweet old “Uncle Joe”: Stalin is a more viable candidate for murder. He had ample cause to want the outspoken General eliminated, and his bloodthirsty reputation was well established. Days after the German cease fire, Stalin turned his malevolence on his own highly successful and highly esteemed General Konev, out of fear of his popularity. Stalin had already killed his own wife. In the Ukraine, he starved millions of his own people between 1932 and 1933 through a policy of collectivization, which amounted to forced famine. And in Poland, he massacred the entire Catholic leadership. His NKVD thugs, who conducted joint operations with the OSS, had infiltrated postwar Germany and easily would have known Patton’s whereabouts had they wanted to take him out.
     
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    He obviously uncovered the reptilian aliens who rule over us....
     
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    it is true ike never lead and army nor fought a battle. he was, however, brilliant at understanding logistics and being able to foresee possible pitfalls and set things in motion to pre-emptively remove them. you can always find generals who can win battles but it is hard to find one who can see the big picture and know how to fit all the puzzle pieces together. a general like patton needs war. that is his existence and the realm where he can thrive. in war there is mass amounts of chaos and someone who can make good snap decisions will win the day. patton could very well have ran for president and won but he probably would have gone down as one of the worse or ineffectual leaders we have. he simply doesn't play well with others and in the political arena that is what it is all about. he would have constantly been butting heads with congress and would have absolutely no use for the supreme court. he would have tried to bully allies and enemies alike and done more to isolate the us when we needed strong trade agreements. if he wasn't president he would have have either done what many other progressively thinking military minds have done ( Billy Mitchel, Claire Chennault, etc ) and shot himself in the foot by not bridling his tongue or he would have been absolutely miserable until korea...where he would have been very critical of the way Mac ran the show...but at least he would have been fighting.
     
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    That the act will be dismissed out-of-hand as fantasy, without due consideration, is the goal for the assassins. Men of power and influence have no need to dirty their hands, nor do they need to actually order illegal acts there are plenty of underlings hoping to curry favor that "take the hint".
    I wonder if Hunt (who by the way confessed on his deathbed to being involved in the conspiracy to assassinate Kennedy) and Liddy were directly ordered to be burglars and surely no one could conceive of using Po-210 to slowly kill a spy.
    An entire government plotting to convict Alfred Dreyfus with forged document...nonsense. The CIA testing mind-control drugs on Americans without their knowledge or consent...popycock. A big well-known company like Johns Manville surely would not hide the dangers of asbestos, causing lung cancer in thousands of workers for over 30 years...utter nonsense. Now let's get really crazy, the United State HEALTH service selecting 400 poor, African-American men with syphilis then gives them false and sometimes dangerous treatments, and adequate treatment was intentionally withheld so the agency could learn more about the disease and they do this for 40 years. Close to 200 of the men died from syphilis or related complications. Is that not silly crazy. The whacky conspiracy nuts continue...American military leaders draft plans to create public support for a war against Cuba, to oust Fidel Castro from power. The plans included committing acts of terrorism in U.S. cities, killing innocent people and U.S. soldiers, blowing up a U.S. ship, assassinating Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees, and hijacking planes. The plans were all approved by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but the civilian leadership vetos the plan, then it's kept secret for nearly 40 years when declassified Operation Northwoods papers come to light.
    Crazy conspiracy nuts...2 Aug 1964 & 4 Aug 1964 the USS Maddox is attacked by 3 torpedo boats of the North Vietnamese Navy. The US Congress responds with the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution which authorized LBJ to assist any SE Asian country to resist "Communist Aggression". In 2005, an internal National Security Agency historical study was declassified; it concluded that USS Maddox had engaged the North Vietnamese on August 2, but that there may not have been any North Vietnamese vessels present during the engagement of August 4. The report stated “It is not simply that there is a different story as to what happened; it is that no attack happened that night…” In 1965, President Johnson commented privately: “For all I know, our Navy was shooting at whales out there.” In 1981, Captain Herrick and journalist Robert Scheer re-examined Herrick’s ship’s log and determined that the first torpedo report from August 4, which Herrick had maintained had occurred—the “apparent ambush”—was in fact unfounded. In the Fall of 1999, retired senior CIA engineering executive S. Eugene Poteat wrote that he was asked in early August 1964 to determine if the radar operator’s report showed a real torpedo boat attack or an imagined one. He concluded that there was no evidence of an attack. In October, 2005 the New York Times reported that Robert J. Hanyok, a historian for the U.S. National Security Agency, had concluded that the NSA deliberately distorted the intelligence reports that it had passed on to policy-makers regarding the August 4, 1964 incident.
    Flyboy mentioned the "Grassy Knoll" alluding to the wacky Kennedy Conspiracy Nuts. I won't open THAT GIANT can of worms but I will state that The HSCA (House Select Committee on Assassinations) was established in 1976 to investigate the John F. Kennedy assassination and the Martin Luther King, Jr. assassination. The Committee investigated until 1978, and in 1979 issued its final report, concluding that President John F. Kennedy was probably assassinated by a conspiracy involving the mob, and potentially the CIA.
    You know that there are even wacky conspiracy nuts that think that a large corporation like Kerr-McGee assassinated a troublesome whistle-blower Karen Silkwood. Silkwood had discovered what she believed to be numerous violations of health regulations, including exposure of workers to contamination, faulty respiratory equipment and improper storage of samples. She also believed the lack of sufficient shower facilities could increase the risk of employee contamination. In the summer of 1974, Silkwood testified to the Atomic Energy Commission (AEC) about these issues, alleging that safety standards had slipped because of a production speedup which resulted in employees being given tasks for which they were poorly trained. She also alleged that Kerr-McGee employees handled the fuel rods improperly and that the company falsified inspection records. On November 5, 1974, Silkwood performed a routine self-check and found almost 400 times the legal limit for plutonium contamination. She was decontaminated at the plant and sent home with a testing kit to collect urine and feces for further analysis. Oddly, though there was plutonium on the exterior surfaces (the ones she touched) of the gloves she had been using, the gloves did not have any holes. Therefore the contamination did not come from inside the glove box, but from some other source, in other words, someone was trying to poison her. The next morning, as she headed to a union negotiation meeting, she again tested positive for plutonium. This was surprising because she had only performed paperwork duties that morning. She was given a more intense decontamination. The following day, November 7, 1974, as she entered the plant, she was found to be dangerously contaminated — even expelling contaminated air from her lungs. A health physics team accompanied her back to her home and found plutonium traces on several surfaces — especially in the bathroom and the refrigerator. Silkwood, was then sent to Los Alamos National Laboratory for in-depth testing to determine the extent of the contamination. Later that evening, Silkwood’s body was found in her car, which had run off the road and struck a culvert. There was damage to the car’s rear end and skid marks on the pavement. She had had a dinner/union meeting that night and attendees stated she had a binder and several documents with her. The car contained no documents. She was pronounced dead at the scene from a “classic, one-car sleeping-driver (who had desperately tried to brake) accident”.
    Yea conspiracy-nut alien invaders
     
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    So let me get this straight, you want to assassinate a popular, high profile American general just after the end of the war and you (the shadowy conspirators) choose a low speed traffic accident on a well traveled road with nearby hospital services to accomplish this?

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    What guarantees would the conspirators have that Patton would even be injured in such an event? Just suppose for a moment it was Uncle Joe (Stalin), the Russians may be less than subtle on many occasions but espionage/assassination is a game they're very good at, even back then. I'm sure they'd find a better way than this unlikely scenario.

    American war hero generals have said many controversial things during the course of history without be bumped off.

    And just because a flock of Army brass descends on the scene isn't tremendously suspicious. Just because it's Sunday morning means very little, especially when you know, a leading figure in the U. S. Army has just been involved in a traffic accident and is injured. I'd be more suspicious if a flock of Army brass DIDN'T arrive on scene.

    And don't get me started on shredding Kennedy Conspiracy theories.
     
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    There are not too many inconsistencies, there are just some coincidences. Conspiracy theorists thrive on coincidence.

    For example the contention that a Spitfire made several passes at Patton's aircraft. How many allied aircraft in Europe were shot down by friendly fire? Probably hundreds and Patton's wasn't actually shot down, was it even engaged? Did a Spitfire really attack it? If it did the allegedly Polish pilot clearly wasn't a very good one.
    When we add in that 'Polish' pilot (though where that comes from I have no idea, can anyone actually prove it?) and we've got a conspiracy. Same for the rest of it.

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    On the face of it, a conspiracy in the death of Patton might sound silly or inconceivable. But over the years, certain circumstantial evidence has come forward from multiple sources that put that theory in a new light. All of the things that you post are exactly the points that make this an almost perfect assassination. One would want to make the targets death seem plausible and natural so as NOT to draw attention to the death. I would also point out that it was not necessary to outright kill Patton in the accident though that would have been an acceptable outcome. An injured Patton would be taken to a hospital where he would be isolated and attended by any number of faceless individuals who could administer any number of substances in the guise of "get better" drugs.
    Throughout the war, Patton was an accident waiting to happen. He showed no inclination to compromise, especially when it came to the running of the war. He made as many enemies as friends, both in the American and Russian military establishments. In time, both the United States and the Soviet Union would tap his phone in an effort to find out what the irascible general was doing.
    So again my point is simply that a few inconsistencies are to be expected in any "official" proceeding BUT, the existence of so many anomalies in the circumstances before and after the death of Patton raises more questions than answers: replacing Patton's regular driver Francis Sanza with Private Woodring; missing files on the accident; driver of the truck and his passengers vanish; no official investigation by American military officials; no autopsy on his body; the fact that the Cadillac he was riding in during the accident is not the same Patton car that is in the Patton Museum; and the fact that he was recuperating in a hospital before suddenly taking a turn for the worse and dying as a result of a probable embolism. I'd also point out that this was not the simple "fender bender" you portray. Patton's car was struck head-on by a 2.5 ton Army truck. Patton was known to always sit in the front seat (which in this case might have saved his life) in an act of kindness he had moved to the back seat to allow a hunting dog access to the car's heater in the front seat.
    Conspiracy theories are constantly ridiculed and those who propose them a wacko nut-jobs, right? You might want to go back to my post #13 and check out some of those wacky conspiracies to see just how real they actually were.
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    Steve, to establish cause and effect (i.e., causality) is notoriously difficult, as is expressed by the commonly heard statement that "correlation does not imply causation." In statistics, it is generally accepted that observational studies can give hints but can never establish cause and effect. But, considering the probability paradox, it appears that the larger the set of coincidences, the more certainty increases and the more it appears that there is some cause behind a remarkable coincidence.
    As I have posted several times one or two or three of these "inconsistencies" can be dismissed but when they pile-up one should begin to sit-up and take notice. Assassinations that are prima fascia ASSASSINATIONS bring a storm of unwanted attention and investigation. Putting a bullet into someones head is certainly an effective way to silence them BUT... Now is that same person simply up and dies a "natural" death from say a heart attack... How much neater and quieter
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    #18 mikewint, Mar 22, 2016
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    jfk-conspiracy-7.jpg Mr. Charles Senseney, a CIA weapon developer at Fort Detrick, Maryland, testified before the Senate Intelligence Committee in September 1975 where he described an umbrella poison dart gun he had made. He said it was always used in crowds with the umbrella open, firing through the webbing so it would not attract attention. Since it was silent, no one in the crowd could hear it and the assassin merely would fold up the umbrella and saunter away with the crowd.
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    I have always accepted a conspiracy with regards to the Kennedy Assignation, too many witnesses and loose ends to be explained away, but this whole Patton thing is quite the opposite, there's a lot of conjecture, assumption and blind theories here. Mike you're entitled to your opinions, but I think this is all hogwash.
     
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    Georgi Markov, a Bulgarian defector working as a journalist in London was killed by a ricin laden pellet injected into his leg, probably by an assassin using a modified umbrella. Very James Bond but proven by the discovery of the pellet by British pathologists during an autopsy.
    A selection of circumstantial evidence and coincidence does not prove a case, solid evidence does. Missing files, a substituted vehicle etc do not prove that Patton's death was anything but an accident. Had it been planned, presumably at the highest level, some real evidence would have emerged. "Three can keep a secret if two are dead" as a well known traitor/founding father (delete as applicable) once so astutely noted :)
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