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A Post-WW2 strategic nuclear bomb (Mk III, Mk 4,6,13,18 - the 4 and up used the same shape) and so forth was 60" in diameter, 128" long, and generally massed in at nearly 11,000 lbs. (1.52m X 3.27m, 5000 kg), and required access to the bay so that the weaponeer could perform the in-flight insertion of the weapon pit, and finish the assembly of the explosive lenses.One of the things that did the Northrop flying wings in concerned the inability of the bomb bay to carry a nuclear weapon - at the time, they were big and heavy.
Again, I don't know if it is true, but if so, having to send an aircraft on recon to find out what happened to one of your own cities is something right out of a horror story.
That was just what happened in 1965, after the Great Alaskan Earthquake and Tsunami. All communication with the coastal area affected was lost - not even the HAM nets were up. The USAF pulled on their Alert B-58s off alert, downloaded the weapons, uploaded one of the rare recon pods, and launched it to (quite literally) get the pictures of what happened.Twas a long time ago now - but I think a similar situation happened on Christmas Day in Darwin after Cyclone Tracy (1974). First aircraft in to investigate was a Qantas Boeing 707?
Do not take this as gospel. But I have read in several articles, that Hitler did not put any faith in The atomic bomb. Maybe I am wrong, and this is strictly my opinion, I think when Hitler was gassed, it left him with a horror of so called Doomsday weapons.
Twas a long time ago now - but I think a similar situation happened on Christmas Day in Darwin after Cyclone Tracy (1974). First aircraft in to investigate was a Qantas Boeing 707?
Not quite -
If you knew anything about Muroc and the surrounding area, especially during the war years, there was a ton of training being done at the base and surrounding areas as well as a sizable civilian population. Muroc was huge and had the adjoining dry lake bed which was eventually turned into axillary and emergency landing areas. What Mojave didn't have was absolute security as the base actually sat somewhat in a valley there there was higher ground to the south where you can see a great portion of the base. To the north was Mohave Marine Corp base which had over 8,000 people based there. Muroc it self had around 20,000 and to the west was War Eagle Field, which had at least 1,000 people there between students, instructors, mechanics and support personnel. The surrounding areas had another 20 - 30,000 civilians spread out over the Antelope Valley. There was plenty of manpower and resources to erect any required support facilities needed.
To maintain mission security, the 509th Composite Group was formed to be a self sufficient until to not only support the direct mission, but to provide administrative support to the entire unit. It was also made to be transportable. Wendover was perfect as during the war years it was extremely isolated with Salt Lake City, the only major city in the area being over 120 miles away.
Now that is as wacky as some of your conspiracy theory cool aid you've been pushing. It's been well documented that Japan, despite the continual aerial bombardment of it's territory, was not going to willingly accept an unconditional surrender. Before the Japanese Emperor decided to end the war, Prime Minister Kantaro Suzuki wanted to see one more massive land battle to save face, and he was one of the more moderate leaders. LeMay by his own admittance was running out of cities to firebomb and in Ed Jablownski's book "Wings of Fire" it was documented that Japan still had several thousand combat aircraft still serviceable. Even with the resistance experienced on Okinawa, Saipan, Iwo Jima and Tarawa, there were still plans to invade Japan, and it's well documented those in charge were not looking forward to an invasion.
The atomic bombings put an end to that and saved over a million lives.
So please, if you want to continue to post speculative conspiracy theories (that I find mainly humorously entertaining) please refrain from the revisionist BS that I not only find ignorant but insulting to those who died in the Pacific trying to wrestle control away from the Japanese as well as the many families who would have had family members participating in a blood bath (Including mine).
To maintain mission security, the 509th Composite Group was formed to be a self sufficient until to not only support the direct mission, but to provide administrative support to the entire unit. It was also made to be transportable. Wendover was perfect as during the war years it was extremely isolated with Salt Lake City, the only major city in the area being over 120 miles away.
I'll repeat so you'll understand - there were A LOT of people at Muroc during this period!!!and requests for support aroused unusual interest in their activities which itself posed a security risk.
YOU make no effort yourself to research original archived material. You are in no position to crittique me or the document.Your clip doesn't say much except back up what I previously posted! It says nothing about the "bureaucratic footprint."
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Please stop trying to add to the conspiracy theory. I lived by Muroc (Edwards) knew people who were stationed there and even been to Wendover several times.
You said it yourself!
I'll repeat so you'll understand - there were A LOT of people at Muroc during this period!!!
Stop overthinking this!
Unwittingly, you are citing from Hitler's published table talks with Romania's Marshal Antonescu on 5th August 1944, in which Hitler described the awesome power of Germany's Uranium atom splitting weapon
Oh please - you are ASSUMING things about places you never been to!!!You make no eff
YOU make no effort yourself to research original archived material. You are in no position to crittique me or the document.
Especially if ranking RAF crews showed up on base. There were RAF personnel in the area (about 30 miles to the south west) but most, if not all were pilot trainees. Yes, a lot of eyebrows "would have" been raised.Imagine, as one poster proposed, if 509th Lancasters showed up as a unit with U.S. insignia.
Russian KGB archives. record a Soviet espionage report citing the deaths of Soviet POWs from an alleged nuclear test blast at Ohrdruf on 4th March 1945. WITNESSED by German citizens in a nearby town. At a court of enquiry at Arnstadt in East Germany several witnesses described the blast which turned night into day. The court records became known as the Arnstadt Archives. these archives were copied with the fall of East Germany., but the Federal German Government then had the original Documents destroyed to bury Germany's history in WW2. Key witnesses in those archives not only survived the war, but also the fall of East Germany, to repeat their accounts in recent timesThe main issue with Germans detonating a bomb would be that someone should have seen the giant fireball and mushroom cloud (which, even for small devices like those employed in ww2, should have been visible over 100km away). it's simply too big to convince witnesses to 'forget about it, it's just an ammo depot hit by a raid'.
The only intriguing mystery for me is the nature of the Uranium aboard U-505. The official story is that it was just some refined metallic uranium, however it was transported into individual ceramic (or glass) gold plated small containers (a precaution which is employed usually for high purity, precious or reactive substances in chemistry).
I am posting material sourced from original wartime archives. you are flexing your power to shut down discussion.Oh please - you are ASSUMING things about places you never been to!!!
And yes I AM in a position to critique you, especially if you keep posting BS on here!!!
With regards to our discussion you're posting utter BS - and if you keep this up not only am I going to "shut down discussion" I am going to "flex my power" and boot your ass out of here!I am posting material sourced from original wartime archives. you are flexing your power to shut down discussion.
Tongues would wag.Imagine, as one poster proposed, if 509th Lancasters showed up as a unit with U.S. insignia.