German Bomber loadouts (individual bomb sizes/makes)?

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  1. gooba

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    Hey guys, does anyone have a good resource for specifics on German Bomber loadouts, e.g. I can find a number of sources that refer to the Ju-88 A4 as being kitted out with 2,500kg worth of bombs, but I can't nail down what that loadout was made up of.

    Any help would be much appreciated :)
     
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    Ladeplan Ju 88A-4
     

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    That's excellent - thank you!
     
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    some have ladeplan for the others luftwaffe bombers?
     
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    Hi Vincenzo,

    >some know what is Ga ?

    Ga = Abfluggewicht ('departure weight'). The problem with the table referring to it is that it's incompletely reproduced ... Ga has to be one specific value for the performance figures in the table to be valid, and that value is not listed (unless I'm missing something).

    Regards,

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    From this documents, if i understand right
    88 A-4 internal wing fuel 1220 kg
    88 A-4 drop tanks fuel 1400 kg
    88 A-4 bomb bay fuel ~1380 kg
    88 A-4 bomb bay bombs 1400 Kg
    88 A-4 external bombs underwings 3000 kg
    88 A-4 max fuel ( 0 bombs) 4000 kg
    88 A-4 max bombs (1220 kg fuel) 3000 kg theorically can load other 1380 kg of fuel in bomb bay but this is over the max load

    111 H-16 internal wing fuel 1490 kg
    111 H-16 removable (?) wing tanks fuel 1065 kg
    111 H-16 bomb bay fuel 620 kg
    111 H-16 bomb bay bombs 2000 kg
    111 H-16 external bombs under fuseleage 2500 kg
    111 H-16 max fuel (1000 kg bombs) 3175 kg
    111 H-16 max bombs (1040 kg fuel) 3250 kg teorically can load other 250 kg of bombs, and also other fuel, but this is over max load

    so may be heinkel 111 maybe more versatile in load

    thank HoHun, i found other 111 manual here http://www.cockpitinstrumente.de/archiv/Dokumente/ABC/h/Heinkel/He 111/Kurz.Anleitugng He111HPD.pdf
     
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    #8 Vincenzo, Mar 7, 2009
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    from kennblatt of 217 E-1/2
    217 E-1 internal fuel 2200 kg
    217 E-1 drop tanks fuel 1350 kg
    217 E-1 bomb bay fuel 1120 kg
    217 E-1 bomb bay bombs 2000 kg
    217 E-1 external bombs underwings 2000 kg
    217 E-1 max fuel (0 bombs) 4670 kg
    217 E-1 max bombs (1650 kg fuel) 4000 kg, can't load full wing fuel for limit of max load
     
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    17 Z-2 internal wing fuel 1120 kg
    17 Z-2 bomb bay fuel 650 kg
    17 Z-2 bomb bay bombs 1000 kg
    17 Z-2 max fuel (500 kg bombs) 1770 kg
    17 Z-2 max bombs (1120 kg fuel) 1000 kg
     
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    Found this lying around on my computer that you may find interesting.
     

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    this is from a book or from luftwaffe/junkers document?
     
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    Not sure to be honest. I found it in my pictures inventory.
     
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    Hi Vincenzo,

    >this is from a book or from luftwaffe/junkers document?

    It's also reproduced in Helmut Erfurt's "Junkers Ju 88 - Vom Original zum Modell", along with some other graphics that are obviously from the same source. It looks like some refined presentation prepared by Junkers, perhaps with the aim of selling both the Ju 88B (later to become the Ju 188) and the Ju 288 to the Luftwaffe (if you ask me).

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    for some that sprechen Deutsch what is "tragflachenmitteltein" "entnahmebehalter"? drop tanks? or optional wing tanks?
    thank
     
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    Hi Vincenzo,

    >"tragflachenmitteltein"

    Probably "Tragflächenmittelteil" = "wing centre secton".

    >"entnahmebehalter"? drop tanks? or optional wing tanks?

    "Entnahmebehälter" = "removable container". This term is not unambiguous because it can also mean "container something is taken out from".

    By the way, "ä" transliterates to "ae" if you don't have Umlauts available. (Just append an "e", then you can drop the dots from any Umlaut.) If you don't observe this rule, you might end up with a different meaning in the worst case :)

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    thanks, next time i'll observe the rule. removable container in wing centre section i think it's not a drop tank
     
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    200 C-3 wing internal fuel 1900 kg
    200 C-3 fuseleage fuel 4060 kg
    200 C-3 bomb bay bombs 1000 kg
    200 C-3 external bombs underwings 5400 kg
    200 C-3 max fuel (1000 kg bombs) 5960 kg
    200 C-3 max bombs (1790 kg fuel) 5400 kg


    very good i think
    (the max load of bombs at full fuel it's reported as 1230 kg but there aren't load that can give this number)
     
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    my estime for He 177 A-3/5
    wing internal fuel ~2500 kg
    fuseleage fuel ~6650 kg
    bomb bays bomb 7000 kg
    external bomb ?? (almost 3 tons)
    max fuel (1000 kg bombs ??) ~9150 kg
    max bombs ?? (with 7000 kg of bombs can load ~6350 kg of fuel)
     
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    #19 Denniss, Jan 13, 2012
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    Entnahmebehälter = the tank(s) the engines are fed from

    You may still pack an aircraft above max load but you need RATO units for take-off.

    Ju 88 has three Rüstzustände:
    Rüstzustand A: max load, only wing tanks. maxload = 3t
    Rüstzustand B: medium load, wing tanks + forward bomb bay aux fuel. maxload = 2t
    Rüstzustand C: max fuel, wintanks and both bomb bays used to carry fuel. maxload = 1.5t (or 1.8t if 300kg of fuel are left home)

    The Ga of the He 111 H-16 is stated as 14t max, info may have been added at the website but is also stated in a Heinkel book.


    The He 177 A-3 Baubeschreibung, dated 12/1942, states the following:
    Max useful load = 11t

    Vmax = 550km/h at 6800m (using 30min engine rating, real max is 10-20km/h faster in about 6300m)
    range with 1t bombs at 415 km/h = 4750km
    range with 4t bombs at 415 km/h = 2950km
    range with 7t bombs at 415 km/h = 1100km

    max alt is 8800m without bombs and 50% fuel


    Do 217 E-1/E-2 Kennblatt:
    max internal load 2t (E-1) or 3t (E-2, CoG moved far rearwards)
    maximum external load is 2t
    Ga max is stated as 16.5t - this is standard internal fuel + 3t bombs (actually slightly overloaded with 16.66t)
     
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    TO confirm
    THe fuel valures are in KG and not Liter?

    And then "t" in some documents does mean "Ton", as in 1 T = 1000kg?
     
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