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A low pressure system uses gaseous oxygen compressed, but doesn't have all that much total quantity in any one bottle.Thank you,
So we may assume (with all that entails) that the British specified the armor around the oxygen tank/s ?
Was there a difference in the oxygen systems that the British felt that they needed such protection?
AHT says the US P-39s used a low pressure system with 1 to 4 bottles while the P-400 export version got a higher pressure system.
Was the British system (or high pressure system) particularly vulnerable to gun fire?
Bottles exploded when hit or ruptured violently?
So, the AAF thought the Brits had included too much armor, right? Now drop the nose armor to save another 100#.Found some specific info on armour.
P-400 had 291.28 pounds of armour.
P-39D-2 differed in the following respects:
- no forward O2 bottle plate (-35.01 lb)- no aft O2 bottle plate (-27.60 lb)- different cabin armour plate (10.91 lb instead of 11.20 lb) -.29 lb- different forward armoured glass (21.72 lb instead of 15.66 lb) +6.06 lb- different bulkhead armour plate (same weight)- different turnover bulkhead plate (14.90 lb instead of 19.12 lb) -4.22 lb- different aft armoured glass (44.17 lb instead of 48.94 lb) -4.77 lb- body turnover armour plate added (+12.81 lb)- different main oil tank armour (same weight)Overall P-39D-2 drops 53.02 lb in armour.
It's already been explained that you can't drop the armour in the nose without shifting the CoG dangerously unless you add ballast which totally negates the reason for dropping it.So, the AAF thought the Brits had included too much armor, right? Now drop the nose armor to save another 100#.
Nothing has been proven. Just move the radios up from the tail cone to behind the pilot/above the engine. Radios located here in lots of photos. Should actually improve handling since weight has been relocated closer to the CG.It's already been explained that you can't drop the armour in the nose without shifting the CoG dangerously unless you add ballast which totally negates the reason for dropping it.
By all accounts the P39 was marginal on CoG already.
Just move the radios from the tail cone up above the engine right behind the pilot. Lots of original photos show the radios located here. Moves weight closer to the CG, should help maneuverability.And how are you going to compensate for the resulting rearward CG shift in a plane that's already borderline tail heavy? Move the battery and the radio boxes forward? Where you going to find room for them to gain back the moment arm you lost by deleting the armor? The farther the battery gets from the starter and generator, the fatter (and heavier) your cables are going to get and the more starting problems you're going to have. The farther from the CG your battery and radios are, the more G abuse they'll suffer in Air Combat Maneuvering. Tube radios located in the nose next to a 37 (or a 20) and two 50s are going to be subject to intense high frequency vibration stresses whenever you squeeze the trigger. There's more to it than just yanking the armor.
Cheers,
Wes
How do you get that?So, the AAF thought the Brits had included too much armor, right? Now drop the nose armor to save another 100#.
A low pressure system uses gaseous oxygen compressed, but doesn't have all that much total quantity in any one bottle.
A high pressure system is likely to be more vulnerable, as the stress on the bottle is much higher, making the likelihood of rupture greater in the case of a bullet or shrapnel strike, and the quantity of liberated gas is so much greater as to create a locally oxygen-rich environment with attendant combustion opportunities. Ever drop a handful of iron filings into a beaker of pure oxygen? Try it sometime.
Cheers,
Wes
Back in the '60s in upstate NY, a boat on the way to a dive site had a SCUBA tank, that was foolishly left standing up on a seat, fall over and bang it's old style tall thin valve assembly against another tank lying on the deck. The valve head snapped and the tank launched itself into the air and PENETRATED the vertical web of an I beam under a bridge the boat was approaching. The valve assembly ricocheted, bounced off the PFD of the boat's driver, and shot over the side. Nothing to fool with, for sure.We never had an accident but highly compressed gases are nothing to fool with.