Help with propeller identification

[Jocke]

Hello!

I recently bought a propeller from an old man who was a soldier in the swedish army during world war II. He says he took it from an plane who emergency landed (or crashed) in the southern parts of sweden, he didnt know the type but says he thinks it was an english one. There is a mark from a bullet who went in sideways in the alumina. There are some marks in the propeller, and im asking if you perhaps could help me with telling me anything you know and if we could find out what type of aircraft it comes from I would be thrilled!
The "bullet hole" measures 34x14mm and the whole propellers height is 155 cm approximately.

Thankfull for any help!
Joakim

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http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af217/jockeiskogen/propeller/IMG_0066.jpg

 

[A4K]

Looks English in the first two pics, but after seeing the last few I'm thinking Russian - Il-2 or MiG 3 maybe?

 

[Lighthunmust]

Looks English in the first two pics, but after seeing the last few I'm thinking Russian - Il-2 or MiG 3 maybe?

I don't think it is Russian as they use the cyrillic alphabet and there are roman alphabet markings on the prop.

Never mind. After taking another look, I see there are some cyrillic letters also.

 

[vikingBerserker]

Hmmm wonder if it was a Russian plane flown by the Finns

 

[FLYBOYJ]

There are no Cyrillic letters on that prop. You're looking at upside down inspection stamps. I believe that's a Rotol Propeller but I have to do some more research. Additionally Propellers aren't always designed around one airframe. Depending on the hub/ blade combo, they may fit on several different aircraft.

From what I can see it looks like a Hamilton Std. prop., possibly made by de Havilland. I'm still researching.

 

[Lighthunmust]

There are no Cyrillic letters on that prop. You're looking at upside down inspection stamps. I believe that's a Rotol Propeller but I have to do some more research. Additionally Propellers aren't always designed around one airframe. Depending on the hub/ blade combo, they may fit on several different aircraft.

From what I can see it looks like a Hamilton Std. prop., possibly made by de Havilland. I'm still researching.

You are more likely right than wrong. What has me confused is photo 6. The Star Punch has No5 which appears to be english for "Number 5" on the bottom and a cyrillic V (B) and P (upside down U). The B could certainly be a Roman letter B but the upside-down U is a very strange character for an english language stamp.

 

[FLYBOYJ]

You are more likely right than wrong. What has me confused is photo 6. The Star Punch has No5 which appears to be english for "Number 5" on the bottom and a cyrillic V (B) and P (upside down U). The B could certainly be a Roman letter B but the upside-down U is a very strange character for an english language stamp.

That upside down U I believe might actually be a "D" which signifies the part was rejected and reworked. The next stamp next to it shows an "OK" and an inspector's number. Here's a good source for identifying inspection stamps.

Aviation Archaeology - Aircraft Inspection Stamps

 

[Airframes]

Can't see a Rotol logo anywhere, but I agree that it has the look of a Hamilton Standard type of prop. The form and shape of the numbers stamped into the surface or on plates does not look British though - the shapes are more 'Continental' in style. First impressions are German or Russian made.

 

[FLYBOYJ]

Can't see a Rotol logo anywhere, but I agree that it has the look of a Hamilton Standard type of prop. The form and shape of the numbers stamped into the surface or on plates does not look British though - the shapes are more 'Continental' in style. First impressions are German or Russian made.

Thought it might be a Rotol be realized that de Havilland made Ham. Std. props.

 

[A4K]

Looking forward to your findings Joe, as I still feel it could be Russian. They recovered an La-5 here in Hungary which had very similar markings.

 

[Jocke]

Thanks for all help so far! This is really intresting for me as i have done a lot of research on the internet and didnt find anything that made me any wiser.
I agree that the marking with the Propeller in the star looks most like B and a n.
Please let me know if you need any more pictures!

 

[Jocke]

Here is at least an better picture of front and back of the propeller!

http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af217/jockeiskogen/propeller/propellerfrontback.jpg

 

[FLYBOYJ]

Looking forward to your findings Joe, as I still feel it could be Russian. They recovered an La-5 here in Hungary which had very similar markings.

See if you can get info on that. I don't know if the Soviets had a similar marking system as the west but would like to have more info. I would think if it was Russian we'd see more Cyrillic.

 

[FLYBOYJ]

Jocke, can you determine from the shape of the cured portion of the blade, what direction of rotation the propeller would turn while viewing from the front?

 

[A4K]

Got a magazine cutting somewhere on that Joe, will try and find it. Surprisingly few cyrillic letters, mostly just stamped numbers that I recall.

 

[Jocke]

I think it has benn spinning colckwise but im not sure!
I made an simple sketch of it so you can determine!

http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af217/jockeiskogen/propeller/prop.jpg

 

[icepac]

Does the guy know what year the plane came down?

Brewster B239 maybe?

 

[Jocke]

No I didnt get any info on what year it was.
I googled Brewster B239 but as far as i understood the had hamilton standard propellers or curtis electric.
The marks doesnt match them as far as I can see, but i am no expert that is why i asked you guys

 

[Lighthunmust]

Perhaps contacting Steve Hinton's outfit next to the Planes of Fame would get you an identification. They may be able to give you at least a list of what it is not. That would point you away from the wrong direction of inquiry.

 

[Jocke]

Thank you for the tip Lighthunmust. Ive sent an e-mail to Planes of fame. However I couldnt find anything called Steve Hintons Outfit, do you know a webpage or a way to contact them?