Ad: This forum contains affiliate links to products on Amazon and eBay. More information in Terms and rules
It seems I was mistaken. I was remembering some more hypothetical criticism Shortround6 had leveled against the R4M here:Do you have that thread, I couldn't find it.
Context is still important, and the same issue is addressed with the huge disparity in range figures for the He 162. Endurance and range varies considerably more dramatically with early jets than with piston engined aircraft to the point of cruising below 10,000 ft could easily be half the range/endurance at 25,000 ft.The lack of endurance of the Me 262 is bemoaned time and time again by the men who flew them. Only the bomber version could use the rearmost tank as this had to be counterbalanced by the external stores. A downside of this is that jettisoning the stores before said tank was exhausted made the aircraft impossible for the average pilot to control.
Cheers
Steve
iirc, the first suggestion of using the 262 as a bomber came from messerschmitt in 1942.
Interesting...iirc, the first suggestion of using the 262 as a bomber came from messerschmitt in 1942.
On June 8, 1944 Hitler ordered (führer befehl)the Me 262 to be used as a bomber.
Even without the same dire situation (albeit more focused use for offensive weapons) early war, I wonder if similar logic could have swayed more favor towards the Fw 187 pre/early war if proposed as a single-seat high speed fighter-bomber. ( and gotten similar priority for DB-600s/601s/Jumo 211s as contemporary fast bombers)He ordered initial production to be fighter bomber variant, but did not order the cancellation of the fighter version, simply it's delay until Erprobungskommando 262 which had received its first fighters in April, less than eight weeks earlier, had finished testing.
It seems to me that the situation in NW Europe in the days following the allied landings and also the state of the Eastern Front persuaded Hitler that this fighter bomber type should be the priority for his new wonder weapon. We have the benefit of hindsight and know that Galland and others were correct in arguing that using the Me 262 against the American (and to a lesser extent British) aerial onslaught would have been better, but hindsight is a wonderful thing. Hitler, not for the first time, made a serious misjudgement, but it was not as unjustified as many have since argued.
Even without the same dire situation (albeit more focused use for offensive weapons) early war, I wonder if similar logic could have swayed more favor towards the Fw 187 pre/early war if proposed as a single-seat high speed fighter-bomber.
I think that the problem there is that the fighter-bomber concept, as in modifying a fighter to carry bombs to operate in what we would no call close air support or battlefield interdiction simply didn't exist in the mid 1930s. That's not to say that some adventurous types hadn't lobbed small bombs from the cockpits of their fighters in WW1, but this was developed into the dive bomber (almost every German bomber) or light bomber (Hawker Hart, ideal for cheaply and effectively bringing recalcitrant tribesmen into line, unfortunately the Fairey Battle couldn't do the same to the Germans). These were not fighters.
The thing is that the fighter-bomber concept was not new or un-thought of. It may have been out of fashion (and turret fighters in fashionfor a few years in the late 30s.
Plenty of people foresaw the need for dual purpose aircraft.
He ordered initial production to be fighter bomber variant, but did not order the cancellation of the fighter version, simply it's delay until Erprobungskommando 262 which had received its first fighters in April, less than eight weeks earlier, had finished testing.
In the words of the 'infamous' Fuhrer Befehl:
"Under no circumstances is bomber production to be delayed while awaiting results of such [fighter] tests. Not until these tests have been concluded will fighter production be permitted to start. Once this point has been reached there is no reason why production capacity cannot be divided between the two."
It seems to me that the situation in NW Europe in the days following the allied landings and also the state of the Eastern Front persuaded Hitler that this fighter bomber type should be the priority for his new wonder weapon. We have the benefit of hindsight and know that Galland and others were correct in arguing that using the Me 262 against the American (and to a lesser extent British) aerial onslaught would have been better, but hindsight is a wonderful thing. Hitler, not for the first time, made a serious misjudgement, but it was not as unjustified as many have since argued.
Cheers
Steve