how did seaplanes get back on the ship?

[fireball45]

so I've seen pictures of seaplanes on battleships and stuff being launched from these short little catapult type things and there is NO WAY they're landing on that thing, so like do they use a crane or something to get it back on? do they just abandon it? black magic? any help would be appreciated

 

[Wurger]

The seaplanes landed in the sea near a ship. Then these were picked up with a crane. Certainly the possibility of lifting from the water depended on the operational situation. So sometimes these could be abandoned and sunk.

the pic source: the net and

https://www.usni.org/magazines/naval-history-magazine/2018/december/floatplane-what-part-1

Naval Gazing Main/Battleship Aviation Part 3

www.navalgazing.net

Curtiss SOC Seagull – WW2 Images

 

[EwenS]

Launch and recovery the RN way. Aug 1940 training film.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dmNyts7f1w

An alternative method used by some other navies was use of the Hein Mat towed a stern of the ship onto which the aircraft taxied to be recovered.

Eyes of the Fleet – WW2 American Seaplane Operations - The Armored Patrol

Source: Imgur user dzibanorama Picture heavy! http://i.imgur.com/BikLfum.jpg http://i.imgur.com/vdXHrMu.jpg Eyes of the Fleet - Seaplane Operations Cruiser-based seaplanes provided the ability for small flotillas and single ships to scout vast areas of ocean in the search for enemy activity...

thearmoredpatrol.com

 

[fubar57]

Note in the first photo of Post #2, The recovery sled can be seen

U.S. Navy Floatplanesof World War ll -in action Al Adcock Squadron Signals Publications 2006​

 

[Wurger]

Note in the first photo of Post #2, The recovery sled can be seen

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U.S. Navy Floatplanesof World War ll -in action Al Adcock Squadron Signals Publications 2006​

Yep ...

the pic source: the net.

The Charlie and Dog methods of landing

The pic source: Naval Gazing Main/Battleship Aviation Part 3

 

[Crimea_River]

Or if it's a Hurricat, it was a 1 way mission.

Hurricats — Knight Features | Content Worth Sharing

A thoroughly-researched account of this little known aspect of Second World War Royal Navy Fleet Air Arm operations.

www.knightfeatures.com

 

[Wurger]

And a nice sequence of images showing a Curtiss SOC Seagull recovering by the USS Philadelphia in 1942 ...

the pic source: Eyes of the Fleet – WW2 American Seaplane Operations - The Armored Patrol

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

You mean they didn't use the jacob's ladder like the sailors?

Learn something new every day!

 

[Shortround6]

Well it was hard for the seaplanes to climb hand over hand up the cable

 

[Admiral Beez]

Makes me wonder if the navy(s) ever considered in-flight recovery, akin to the "trapeze" hook system used on the US Navy airships USS Akron and Macon. The stall speed of a Supermarine Walrus, for example was 55–60 knots. a cruiser running at 30 knots into a 30 knot wind might just pull it off.

 

[EwenS]

Makes me wonder if the navy(s) ever considered in-flight recovery, akin to the "trapeze" hook system used on the US Navy airships USS Akron and Macon. The stall speed of a Supermarine Walrus, for example was 55–60 knots. a cruiser running at 30 knots into a 30 knot wind might just pull it off.

You mean akin to the WW2 Brodie system?

Brodie landing system - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The answer to your question is no. Just look at all the gear involved.

Not even the 1980s Skyhook caught on (pardon the pun)

SKYHOOK Harrier Carrier.

The topic title is self explanatory, I think. I thought I'd post this now rather than later, since the electronics fit has me stumped. I just don't know enough about British electronics to be sure what the illustrated equipment is. Can anyone fill me in? Note: this is why there are no masts at...

www.secretprojects.co.uk

 

[Admiral Beez]

You mean akin to the WW2 Brodie system?

Brodie landing system - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The answer to your question is no. Just look at all the gear involved.

Not even the 1980s Skyhook caught on (pardon the pun)

SKYHOOK Harrier Carrier.

The topic title is self explanatory, I think. I thought I'd post this now rather than later, since the electronics fit has me stumped. I just don't know enough about British electronics to be sure what the illustrated equipment is. Can anyone fill me in? Note: this is why there are no masts at...

www.secretprojects.co.uk

That's the one, thanks.

I never thought it made sense for the Harrier. The aircraft can vertically takeoff and land on any reasonable sized area, including a helicopter pad. What's the benefit of the hook below? Surely the ship's 20-25 knot WOD makes no difference in fuel or payload. Now if that arm could trebuchet chuck the Harriers, then maybe, lol.

 

[Dana Bell]

The Brodie system was tested on at least one LST during the war - I don't remember what the main problem was, but the concept was abandoned.

The US Navy's standard recovery techniques were:

AFFIRM - ship at anchor, aircraft taxis up and is hoisted on board

BAKER - ship floating free, aircraft taxis up and is hoisted on board (less trouble if recovery is affected by tides or other moving water)

CAST - ship moves in a circle, pours oil on the water to calm the surface, aircraft lands inside the circle, taxis onto the recovery sled and is hoisted on board

DOG - ship moves in a straight line, aircraft taxis up onto the sled, and is hoisted on board. (Can recover aircraft on either side of the ship - or to the stern - at the same time and less of a target to enemy fire, but more difficult in heavy seas.)

Cheers,


Dana

 

[fubar57]

CAST - ship moves in a circle, pours oil on the water to calm the surface, aircraft lands inside the circle, taxis onto the recovery sled and is hoisted on board



Cheers,


Dana

Very interesting, Dana. I have never heard of this before

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

Makes me wonder if the navy(s) ever considered in-flight recovery, akin to the "trapeze" hook system used on the US Navy airships USS Akron and Macon. The stall speed of a Supermarine Walrus, for example was 55–60 knots. a cruiser running at 30 knots into a 30 knot wind might just pull it off.

The US Army did:

View: https://youtu.be/ZzMnB309s6c?t=405

Source (and a good article on the subject): The saga of the seasick US Army Piper Cubs on the Navy's smallest aircraft carriers.

 

[SaparotRob]

Carrier borne operations, close air support, tank busting, aerial interception and recon. Is there anything the Cub can't do? Take that Storch!

BTW Elvis has a great signature card.